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Vista Vs. Dragon for Speech Recognition
#1
If I buy now, I presume it would be better to get Vista for any SR as opposed to Dragon? I'm not going to be doing full dictation, really just a handful of commands, so the robustness of Dragon isn't really a value-add to me. But, it has this cryptic "integrate with any windows program" statement.

No idea how to actually integrate this into CQC yet, but i figger playing around with something is moving in the right direction.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...7782777472

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06...2&from=rss

**I have to admit I havent even got Vista yet so maybe they got everything working fine, over the years I have used various versions of Dragon and have found it to work well but then again its not without problems.

Microphones make a huge difference and even though I know you'll be using the Genter mixer or whatever its called I would still say you need top quality mics.

I know Paul uses Crown mics but I believe they are expensive and even his system isn't without problems and he openly admits its hard to make it 100%, I asked him alot of questions over months and I almost took the leap but then thought I'd wait until more people got into it and then I would start spending money.
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#3
Ripper awakens!

Yeah, I saw those, but i'm only looking to do dead-bang simple stuff (lighting on/off. XM on/off/louder/softer. XM channel 20).

I got a crown mic, Squintz supposedly was able to connect over remote port server today, so the s/w bit is next.

It does look more and more like Vista just isn't ready for me. I have 3 servers, each of which have a vista-killing situation:
1) CQCServer - has an Avermedia NV5000 card in it, doesn't work with vista.
2) SageTVServer - I use a MediaMVP extender, which doesn't currently work with vista.
3) HTPC - has my lossless WMA and mpe lossy repo's on it. No way do I let vista DRM near that.

So, I suppose it's Dragon. Now to scratch my head and figure out what indirect method to use to get it to talk to CQC. I've been looking at the preferred version ($200, so sad). I've got some very hairbrained ideas, if only the Dragon SDK wasn't $2K; i could have commissioned a native driver for it.
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I'm not sure how you could get it to talk to CQC without the SDK, if there was some way you could say "Lights on" and it could run a macro using something like http://www.macroexpress.com/ to control a PC with CQC for you then that might work.

Staying on a cheap budget...another cheap program that might work is Talkie http://www.softie.dk/index.htm , I imagine you could program macros to "key words" and have it initiate commands within CQC mind you it may not be as instant as a direct connection.

Here is another http://www.vrcommander.com/ and another http://ivos.comunx.com/

I have used alot of automation programs like this in the past but not so much with voice and they work well, I own something called Automate 6(Expensive!) and for my previous job I had it controlling two pc's 24/7 and running timed macros to do automated things for me like batch whois and tracert lookups as well as many other cool things..Damn NDA's!

Anyways you can have many programs control CQC for you you just need one that allows you to launch the files/scripts with your voice, I think I'd rather experiment with cheapo programs on a budget and see what I could accomplish spending $40 versus $200 or more especially if your only doing basic commands.
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Ripper Wrote:I'm not sure how you could get it to talk to CQC without the SDK, if there was some way you could say "Lights on" and it could run a macro using something like http://www.macroexpress.com/ to control a PC with CQC for you then that might work.
Ok, here's my first wacky idea: Dragon allows you to pull up a web page/link/favorite via voice. I could create one web page for each command (eh, beg a CML knowledgeable person to do that for me), and navigate to that page on voice command.

Quote:Staying on a cheap budget...another cheap program that might work is Talkie http://www.softie.dk/index.htm , I imagine you could program macros to "key words" and have it initiate commands within CQC mind you it may not be as instant as a direct connection.
...Anyways you can have many programs control CQC for you you just need one that allows you to launch the files/scripts with your voice, I think I'd rather experiment with cheapo programs on a budget and see what I could accomplish spending $40 versus $200 or more especially if your only doing basic commands.
Well, in the wacky world of IVB accounting, it's cheaper for me to spend the $200 than $40. I have ~$500 left in my paypal account from all this random spare parts selling i've been doing, and newegg sells the Dragon software. I could buy something else as long as I could get it from a place that accepts paypal. There's not a ton of other equipment I need to buy in my HA journey, plus my cousin who's overseas owes me another $1500 and will be paypal'ing that to me over time, so I'm not really sure what else I'd use it on.
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#6
Just hold onto it.

Sooner or later you will find some new HA something that you just have to have.
.... Jim
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#7
IVB just curious the version of Dragon you plan to buy can it do custom commands via voice? I know some versions dont allow this while other you could say a specific line and it can do a number of keystrokes etc.
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#8
well, i'm looking at the preferred version, which is $168 plus tax and $4 shipping through newegg. Here's the matrix, The next level up is pro, which is $960 so I won't be getting that.

Under the web description, it says it has:
"Search the Web, access information, and navigate web pages by speaking URLs and links. "

But, it does not have: "Use the macro recorder to record a series of mouse movements, clicks, and/or keystrokes and recall the actions using a single voice command. "

Tough call, it's certainly something I want to play with, but not for $1000. And i need something that I can use all these damn paypal funds with, b/c i can mentally justify spending those funds but not actual credit card cash.

Full List of features
Quote:- Microphone Included
- Short Set-up and User Enrollment
- Dictate into Most Microsoft® Windows®-based Applications
- No Training Required
- New Tutorials
- Support for Non-standard Edit Controls
- Select-And-Say Indicator
- Support for Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird.
- Control Menus and Dialog Boxes in Most Microsoft® Windows® XP & - Windows® 2000-based Applications by Voice
- Simultaneous Dictation and Command Modes
- Format and Edit by Voice
- Mouse Control by Voice
- Nothing But Speech (NBS)™ Natural Punctuation
- USB Audio Support
- Performance Optimizer
- Natural Punctuation
- Say Web and Browser Links by Voice
- Award-Winning RealSpeak™ 2 Text-to-Speech
- Dictation Playback
- Use with Handheld Digital Recorder
- Dictate into Pocket PC or palmOne™ Tungsten
- Smart Formatting
- Multiple Dictation Sources

Macro Creation Tools
- Text and Graphics Dictation Shortcuts

Application Support
Internet Explorer 5, 6
AOL® 6, 7, 8, 9
Word® 2000, XP, 2003
WordPerfect® 10, 11, 12
Excel 2000, XP, 2003
Support for Bluetooth Microphones
AutoTranscribe Folder


Does *not* have the following:
- Complex Macro Support
- Macro Recorder
- Basic Scripting Commands
- Advanced Microsoft® VBA-compatible Scripting
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What's next: CQC-Voice, Brultech GEM
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#9
I know your wallet fingers itchin but I've been using Dragon on/off since I think version three and I have Dragon 9 preferred right now from the last company I worked for and its not 100%..it works okay if I have 50-100 pages of notes to dictate and I use a headset but there is no way I could imagine it working reliably with an open air mic.

I suggest trying macro express and seeing how you can make it perform multiple commands or lighting scenes and assign that a hot key..now you need to use a cheapo voice control program that will allow you to say "lights on front door" and translate that to "CTRL+F" or whatever hotkey you have assigned to your macro to perform that action..as far as I know Draction 9 preferred cannot do this..maybe I am wrong but I never noticed it.

While I will say Dragon is great at times when I need to type 50 pages I have to honestly say at times its annoying and sometimes I'd just rather do the two finger dance like Tom Brokaw and type at 45 wpm...old habits never die.

The thing I find most annoying with Dragon is I can never talk totally "Naturally Speaking" and seem more like a robot when dictating to it and find myself pausing at times.

I won't say it is garbage at all and even the preferred version if I was to read a magazine page using a $50 logitech headest it will be 98-99% accurate but once again I find myself trying to hard to say every word very clearly..if they have a trial I'd say try before you buy!

My headset works really well with it but that is with no music playing in office and one fan running at 50% on pc.
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#10
IVB, here is an example of me using Dragon preferred after drinking two Vodka Paralyzers :-)

http://www.ncrypt.net/touchscreen/cqc/do...ural9.html

I am using an Logitech USB headphone/mic combo and you can see most of the time I am not just rambling on in a natural voice and seem forceful to make things sound proper and I pause while talking..vodka or not you can see the many errors that can happen in this simple example.
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