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I got a Palm Pre the other day and it's freaking awesome. It's basically a much better version of the iPhone and has a keyboard. Their apps are written using JavaScript, HTML, and CSS.

I'm being a little lazy right now to do my own research but want to know if you think it's possible to do the blowfish handshake thingy with the Pre to use RIVA? I found an example JavaScript implementation of Blowfish (http://i-code.co.uk/javascript/blowfishh...ption.php).

Palm Pre allows you to develope from Windows, Linux, and Mac unlike iPhone.

Man I'm tired today!
I got to review a Palm Pre back in February I think. I really liked it also, but my feeling with the pre-release model I had is that it seemed to be built pretty cheaply, and when I pulled out the keyboard it seemed pretty flimsy. Otherwise, the OS seems really solid.

I actually do research on why people by Smartphones, and what directs them to one model over another. There are really lots of good models out there, other than the iPhone. Still most phone purchasers at least consider an iPhone before looking at others. Once they have decided they don't want an iPhone they move to other choices, and the Palm Pre is in the list of the better ones. Still I'm forecasting Apple will sell 24M iPhones this year, up from about 13.7M last year. The Pre hasn't been out a full year, but it might hit maybe a million. If you like Sprint, its a good choice.
So why is it that people buy the iPhone when in todays market it's actually one of the worse phone to own? It has to be marketing!

I downloaded the Palm SDK last night and it seems extreemly simple to develope for unlike the iPhone. Basically all you need to do is write a webpage in HTML and use their existing library of CSS and JavaScript to make it look like all their applications.

It's actually so simple that if we just figure out how to connect to CQC from the security perspective that I think you could just use Eclipse to design custom interfaces. All you would need access to is the field data.

I don't think I could attempt creating an entire interface viewer on the palm.
Why do you say iPhone is one of the worst phones to own? This is the exact opposite of my experience.

I am not a wireless analyst, but I am an extremely happy iphone user after years of disappointment with other smartphone products (and separate cell phone + PDA before that). again, I have only my personal experience to base this on, but my iPhone is my favorite piece of consumer electronics I've ever owned, and absolutely slaughters anything else on the market for my needs.

(just to clarify, I'm about as un-fanboi as it gets:
1) I run 15+ windows/linux installations in my 1-bedroom apartment.
2) I don't own and never have owned a single apple computer product
3) my business runs entirely on MS/RHEL
4) I owned and used 3 windows mobile phones before my iphone, an ipaq, a palm IIIx, a palm Vx, a zaurus, and various other gizmos that i tried and returned)
I guess that came out wrong. It's not one of the worst phones to own. It's one of the worst smartphones out of all the smartphones. I'm not talking about the latest iPhone either since I don't have experience with that.

I'm looking at the iPhone from a developers point of view. Their regulations on the Apps in the App Store is horrible. Also from a user POV typing anything on their touchscreen keyboard is a pain. It does have a lot of nice features but there are lots of other phones that are making it look lame these days.
So it looks like the Palm Pre does not support socket connections in their API yet. I have to admit this is pretty freaking lame. Their WebOS runs on linux so it's likely just a matter of exposing the library which there is talk of.

I'm thinking that I may not really need a socket connection for what I want to do. The API supports AJAX so I can just update the interface every minute or so.

So I was thinking I could just use CQCs webserver with some CML. The Palm Pre would make request to the webpage and the page would just return XML or something.

This would allow me to poll the status of devices and also control the devices.

Am I missing something Dean? Is everything there to make this work from CQCs end?
Well I don't think anyone can deny that the original iPhone was a game changer. It raised the bar for all other smartphones to follow. That being said, it seems that other manufactures are quickly closing or have already surpassed the iPhone. But marketing is king and the market share that iPhone gained when it was the only smart phone of its kind, the iPhone will still be the go to phone for a lot of people for years to come. Unless another manufacture produces another true "game changer" phone, the iPhone will continue to top sales for years to come IMHO. So far the other manufactures have simply played catch up to the iPhone without creating any new revolutionary features.
I think the pre will prove to be too little, too late.

USERS (the people that apple sells to) don't buy the iphone for the developer environment. they buy it because it's shiny and new and marketed well and easier to use than any other smartphone and doesn't crash like their WinMo phones and because it means they won't have to carry their ipod AND a phone anymore. a truly game-chaning device.

then the devs start producing apps because the user base is so large. it may suck to develop for the platform relative to others, but it is so easy to buy and install and use apps for the USER (the person that apple sells to) that it is impossible to ignore the market.

now you have a self-sustaining feedback loop that will be virtually impossible to topple without another game-changing device.

Is the pre cool? sure. do i wish my iphone could run more than one app at once? sure. would i trade it for a chintzier feeling device that hard-freezes daily and offers 1/1000 of the apps and little prospect of improving that ratio? never. game-changing device? - hardly.

i just can't see how the pre could develop the critical mass of users & developers needed to be anything more than an also-ran in this game.
I was about to buy the iPhone because of all the cool apps. With a easy dev environment like the Pre offers I think eventually there will be a ton of apps. Most useless but some cool.
Apple has really used its past experience to enter this new market for them and exceeded. I could write a book on the 100's of things Apple did right here and Microsoft did wrong. Microsoft's market share, by the way, has been dropping these last few years.

Saying this is just about Marketing is really a bit short-sighted, but that is one part certainly. First, the device itself has the best browser to date. Period. Apple as several patents that maintain this, it has experience creating desktop browsers, and like others, it didn't rush its product to market. Physically an iPhone is simplicity. It has just 4 buttons, no sliding parts to break, no plastic parts to crack, has a metal back, and is physically solid. Very few other phones even come close. The only significant failure seen on iPhones is the top switch broke off on earlier models, but that has been fixed. So operators like it because returns are low, and owners like it because they know that it might actually last the length of their contract without breaking.

But I think the biggest factor is, and the ones that competitors just don't "get" is how Apple only make one model of iPhone. HTC, or Nokia, or Palm, or anyone else has low-end, and high-end, and all different assorted shapes and sizes, where Apple puts all its effort on just one model and makes it special. This means that its easy for third-part companies to make accessories, and cases and know they will get a return on their investment, but more importantly, it tells users that "Hey, we know this phone is expensive, but it won't be obsolete 3 months from now when we release a different model." An iPhone that came out in 2007 can run almost all the applications out today.

Then certainly there is the app. store, Apple pioneered and that everyone has since copied, but because of the iPhone popularity, Apples app. store now has 100 times more applications than any other app. store. And with its link to iTunes, and podcasts, and the music store, etc. the ecosystem is all there. Others can certainly copy how the iPhone looks or operates, but do they have all the pieces Apple has put in place to support their product? Nope. The others can't do it since they have to get a new model out every three months.

Apple of course uses its Marketing expertise. From the design of the phone, to the box, to the order process, to the commercials, nothing is left to chance. Do you notice, Apple iPhone commercials usually don't even mention the phone features, they tell you what you can do with your phone using third-party applications. Just like in the PC world, you don't buy a PC for what a PC can do, you buy it to run applications which entertain or allow you to perform tasks.

No, the iPhone isn't the most advanced phone in the world, but even in Japan, a country obsessed by technology, where the iPhone looks downright primitive compared with most phones on the market there, it is the number 1 phone by sales. And a survey conducted there says the iPhone has a 98% satisfaction rate, the highest of any phone on the market there.

I think so many companies worldwide have been caught up with the "feature-rush," we will just fix it in the next release mentality, that they have lost-sight on usability, quality, and longevity. I hope they can learn from the iPhone, but i doubt they will.
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