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Seeing how V2.0 is basically going to make it unusable for any other program to directly read it's CD repository, i'm wondering whether to rethink my CD plans and go with CQC 2.0 at launch as-is for in-house lossless audio playback AND iTunes for mp3 ripping for iPod.

I had inititally contemplated waiting until FLAC support was available, then moving over. I was doing this more for a fundamental distrust of M$ than any form of audio superiority. However, it seems to me that:
1) even if CQC can rip new CDs to FLAC mode it's still unusable by anything else,
2) I still need a 2nd repository in mp3 format as I'd prefer to have my whole music collection on my 60GB iPod rather than pick&choose which CDs to put on it. (it's only used in the car & gym, so music quality is not that big a deal)
3) All the playlist stuff will be in CQC in the future, which is the only value-add of iTunes in my home audio network
4) I can do a 1time import of my existing FLAC ripped stuff into the CQC repository,
5) We will have some ability to do a 1way export from CQC into another program with tags intact.
6) I don't care about tree structures, not like i ever directly access the files anyhow. It's always through a front-end, so CQC can bury it 10 levels deep for all I care.,

Then i'm not sure whether I care about WMA vs FLAC, at least for the new CDs. Plus, if I go with the CQC repository in it's purity, then I get the upside value of putting a CD into the drive for any CQC client, and (if not at V2.0 then in the future) having a CQC screen come up and ripping to a central repository.

Honestly, this might settle some unresolved issues for me as I wasn't sure how to handle the mp3 vs lossless format problem, as i'm already ripping to both formats to handle iTunes synch'ing vs in-house playback. Now I'll just accept that every new CD will have to be ripped twice - once for CQC, and once by iTunes.

This seems both too simple and too shortsighted (ie, you MUST have 2 seperate repositories, one for CQC, one for your iPod).

Am I missing something?
The ultimate solution for these things will be for us to support conversion out to other formats and even the uploading itself. As long as the stuff is in the repository in a lossless format, it can be converted to basically anything else by using WAV as an intermediate format, i.e. convert it back to WAV from WMA (in memory) and then spit that back out via another converter to whatever the external format is.

I think that, if you need more than one format, that's kind of how it would have to be since you want the repository to hold the highest quality format and then generate other stuff from that, or as you say rip it to two formats.
What I would like to be able to do is... import all my CDs into CQC and then be able to take songs and rip them to a Cd for car use. Will this be possible?
tia,
ron
The problem with CQC exporting the songs is that I have to go through a two-step process anytime I need to use the songs outside of CQC. Would I need to export the songs everytime I need use them outside of CQC or is it a one time step?

For example, let's say I want to play a song using Winamp. Do I have to first go into CQC and export that song somehow and then go into Winamp and play it? And do I have to do this everytime I want to listen to that one song? Does exporting the songs make a copy of the files? This seems like a waste of disk space for large uncompressed collections.

MikeW
Quote:For example, let's say I want to play a song using Winamp. Do I have to first go into CQC and export that song somehow and then go into Winamp and play it? And do I have to do this everytime I want to listen to that one song? Does exporting the songs make a copy of the files? This seems like a waste of disk space for large uncompressed collections.

The appropriate thing to do there is for us to get a WinAmp driver done so that it can be a standard CQC renderer driver and can be given the metadata by CQC just as Zoom Player gets it now.
I think it would work the same way as Jriver..I have flac files so when I want ipod tunes I export them and .mp3 or sometimes uncompressed .wav and then add them to Itunes..no real way around that because Ipod can't play .flac

No matter which way I look at this with .flac support its like IVB says and if they are ripped to .flac they are unusable by anything but CQC and if CQC did support .flac in the future and just *maybe* ipod one day has .flac support so then I assume I would have to export the CQC .flac file to a new flac file just to use on a portable player?

I've decided I'll probably just keep using the Jriver driver and hope it always stays supported..for people with a few hundred CDs making multiple repositorys might be okay but I have over 1100 albums that took 6 weeks to rip working probably 4-6 hours every day.

Even if I was to attempt to convert all my music from .flac to one format such as WMA its not like its gonna be finished in a few hours, I know we will be able to do a one time import but then I assume it converts all my music to only work with CQC and then I can never open the .flac files with any other media player?

I have nothing against WMA formats but personally prefer .flac and researched things for months and found alot of info on Hydrogen Audio forums http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/ that basically made me decide to use .flac.

My archive sits on a 400GB drive and I have another 400GB drive with an exact copy, personally I'd rather not touch or convert/rename my current archive at all or mix in .wma files with a collection that is 100% .flac so in the end I'll probably just keep doing what I've been doing the last couple of years and hope I can always keep using Jriver.
Sorry for maybe a repeated question but does this mean I just cant play all my MP3s on CQC without 3rd party software still? It sounds like the only way to work with CQC media repository is to actually rip the CD through CQC. I dont buy CDs, I buy MP3s online and simply store them on my network and to me it seemed logical that CQC would just recognize my MP3s in a path.

Sorry if this has been asked already (probably even by me)
Quote:Sorry for maybe a repeated question but does this mean I just cant play all my MP3s on CQC without 3rd party software still? It sounds like the only way to work with CQC media repository is to actually rip the CD through CQC. I dont buy CDs, I buy MP3s online and simply store them on my network and to me it seemed logical that CQC would just recognize my MP3s in a path.

I think that the bigger issue for you is how are you going to get the metadata. We can only get metadata if there's a CD to put into the drive.
Ripper Wrote:I think it would work the same way as Jriver..I have flac files so when I want ipod tunes I export them and .mp3 or sometimes uncompressed .wav and then add them to Itunes..no real way around that because Ipod can't play .flac

No matter which way I look at this with .flac support its like IVB says and if they are ripped to .flac they are unusable by anything but CQC and if CQC did support .flac in the future and just *maybe* ipod one day has .flac support so then I assume I would have to export the CQC .flac file to a new flac file just to use on a portable player?

I've decided I'll probably just keep using the Jriver driver and hope it always stays supported..for people with a few hundred CDs making multiple repositorys might be okay but I have over 1100 albums that took 6 weeks to rip working probably 4-6 hours every day.

Even if I was to attempt to convert all my music from .flac to one format such as WMA its not like its gonna be finished in a few hours, I know we will be able to do a one time import but then I assume it converts all my music to only work with CQC and then I can never open the .flac files with any other media player?

I have nothing against WMA formats but personally prefer .flac and researched things for months and found alot of info on Hydrogen Audio forums http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/ that basically made me decide to use .flac.

My archive sits on a 400GB drive and I have another 400GB drive with an exact copy, personally I'd rather not touch or convert/rename my current archive at all or mix in .wma files with a collection that is 100% .flac so in the end I'll probably just keep doing what I've been doing the last couple of years and hope I can always keep using Jriver.
Someone was saying that the new Sony Media Changer would automatically rip your CDs and DVDs to the HDD... this would sure make ripping easier.
Dean Roddey Wrote:I think that the bigger issue for you is how are you going to get the metadata. We can only get metadata if there's a CD to put into the drive.

Clearly, you have a business to run in CQSL and must (with your partners) make decisions about which segments of the market to cater to, which segments to support on a best-effort basis, and which segments to simply pass on.

I would, however, encourage you to take a hard look at the music market. AIUI, digital music sales appear to be growing and cd-based sales, last I heard, are not growing at nearly the same rate, and might even be shrinking.

A device/system/feature that could integrate playing music stored on an iPod, a Zune, and my own MP3/WMA/Flac collection could be a killer app. (Yes, I realize that there are many issues involved.) However, one that is *only* designed for and able to play CDs might find itself at a market disadvantage.
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