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Is CQC right for me? Also considering Allonis and Homeseer
#31
(01-20-2018, 08:48 AM)batwater Wrote: Global Cache has a wide variety of LV relay solutions like the iTac and GC-100 that are compatible with CQC.   There are UPB (I use Simply Automated) as well as Z-Wave (don't have any but have looked at solutions) based LV relay controls as well.

I spent a while researching Global Cache and various UPB devices and can't find any relays that will switch 12V AC power.  I am looking to install LV AC relays after the transformer, so that I don't have to run multiple transformers to use 3 zones of lighting.  There does appear to be a zwave device by GoControl that would work:

GoControl FS20Z-1

It would be nice if there was something smart out there that could also dim the 12V AC line, but I don't think such a thing exists.
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#32
GlobalCache IP2CC

Contact Closure/Relay
3 Integrated contact closure relays w/ transient voltage suppression
Pluggable screw ter­mi­nal 24V AC/DC@.5A N.O. con­tact
Allows for switching of low voltage wiring

Almost every relay based device (aka Contact Closure) out there will handle 12VAC switching
Mykel Koblenz
Illawarra Smart Home
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#33
(01-25-2018, 09:03 AM)jkmonroe Wrote:
(01-24-2018, 07:33 PM)socalsharky Wrote: With Sonos, can CQC make audio announcements over the Sonos speakers?

Audio announcements over Sonos are fairly easy.  I can run a webinar to go over how I do it using free software and a 'Sonos Favorites' station.  IVB just likes to make things difficult.  Smile

Yes please! I'll record it too, so others can watch. I have Camtasia so I can block out any part of the screen with private info.
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#34
(01-25-2018, 11:49 AM)znelbok Wrote: GlobalCache IP2CC

Contact Closure/Relay
3 Integrated contact closure relays w/ transient voltage suppression
Pluggable screw ter­mi­nal 24V AC/DC@.5A N.O. con­tact
Allows for switching of low voltage wiring

Almost every relay based device (aka Contact Closure) out there will handle 12VAC switching

Since this is for a bunch of LV landscape lights, I need something that can handle at least 5A, preferably 10A.  Maybe I don't understand how this device works.  I gather that it receives a  wifi or ethernet signal, and then closes the contact, right?  So the hot leg of my LV landscape lighting would be switched by this device?  If that's the case, the contact rating of 0.5A is way too low for this application.  It's confusing, since the GC brochure indicates that this device is useful for lighting, pools, etc., which obviously require more than 0.5A.  Perhaps you are supposed to use this device to trigger another higher voltage relay down the line?  I guess I could use it to trigger a 12V 10A automotive relay.
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#35
One of these two look like high amps aren't an issue. I actually have an R1BU1C in my basement still new-in-box, haven't gotten around to doing it yet.
Elk relay: https://www.elkproducts.com/product-cata...-terminals

https://www.functionaldevices.com/downlo...RIBU1C.pdf

also look at http://blog.controlconsultantsinc.com/20...plication/
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#36
(01-25-2018, 01:11 PM)socalsharky Wrote:
(01-25-2018, 11:49 AM)znelbok Wrote: GlobalCache IP2CC

Contact Closure/Relay
3 Integrated contact closure relays w/ transient voltage suppression
Pluggable screw ter­mi­nal 24V AC/DC@.5A N.O. con­tact
Allows for switching of low voltage wiring

Almost every relay based device (aka Contact Closure) out there will handle 12VAC switching

Since this is for a bunch of LV landscape lights, I need something that can handle at least 5A, preferably 10A.  Maybe I don't understand how this device works.  I gather that it receives a  wifi or ethernet signal, and then closes the contact, right?  So the hot leg of my LV landscape lighting would be switched by this device?  If that's the case, the contact rating of 0.5A is way too low for this application.  It's confusing, since the GC brochure indicates that this device is useful for lighting, pools, etc., which obviously require more than 0.5A.  Perhaps you are supposed to use this device to trigger another higher voltage relay down the line?  I guess I could use it to trigger a 12V 10A automotive relay.

That's all part of the design scope.  If you can't get wired comms to the relays in question you use something like this with WiFi and then a follower relay - Automotive relay or any small DIN relay that is rated above your requirements

An automotive relay is 12VDC so you would have mixed voltages 12VAC & 12VDC.  If you can find a 12VAC coil relay with a 110VAC 10A rating (most likely easier to find a 110VAC rating on the contacts) then you are good to go with one power supply only.

There are many ways to skin this cat, it depends what solution you want to use and what readily available to you
Mykel Koblenz
Illawarra Smart Home
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#37
(01-25-2018, 01:41 PM)IVB Wrote: One of these two look like high amps aren't an issue. I actually have an R1BU1C in my basement still new-in-box, haven't gotten around to doing it yet.
Elk relay: https://www.elkproducts.com/product-cata...-terminals

https://www.functionaldevices.com/downlo...RIBU1C.pdf

also look at http://blog.controlconsultantsinc.com/20...plication/

(01-25-2018, 03:25 PM)znelbok Wrote: That's all part of the design scope.  If you can't get wired comms to the relays in question you use something like this with WiFi and then a follower relay - Automotive relay or any small DIN relay that is rated above your requirements

An automotive relay is 12VDC so you would have mixed voltages 12VAC & 12VDC.  If you can find a 12VAC coil relay with a 110VAC 10A rating (most likely easier to find a 110VAC rating on the contacts) then you are good to go with one power supply only.

There are many ways to skin this cat, it depends what solution you want to use and what readily available to you

Thanks guys.  I think I understand.  Use the Global Cache recommended by @znelbok (or some other smart contact closure), in conjunction with one of the relays listed by @IVB.  I'm new to all of this, and I guess I was hoping that this application was general enough to have a 1-piece solution.  I see not!  But that's all part of the process, right?
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#38
well the elk is a single manufacturer, but only if you have an Elk panel. Which you may want to do because my god is it useful. And it can take the place of your security system (which is how most people start using it), disconnect ADT/etc, and drop monthly monitoring costs to $12/month...
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#39
(01-25-2018, 12:19 PM)IVB Wrote: Yes please! I'll record it too, so others can watch. I have Camtasia so I can block out any part of the screen with private info.

Our last time slot seemed to work well enough if you want to get it on the books.  Make a post and let me know.
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#40
I can't do Friday nights, interested in this one, if a weeknight is bad then I'll watch the recording.
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