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sic0048

10-08-2008, 05:25 AM

OK. The purpose of this thread is to give a "how to" tutorial on installing the CQC IV on a HP t57xx series thin client. These devices run XPe and have flash memory where you can load in the IV and run it as a stand alone device. In other words, you will not have to use this device as a RDP client, but should be able to run the IV directly from the thin client.

I couple of things to note. First, there are several versions of the t57xx series and each version has multiple configurations. It has been recommended that you use a version that has 512mb flash memory and 256mb ram or more if you have a t5700 and 512mb/512mb minimum if you have a t5720. The good news is that both the flash memory and the ram seems to be fairly easy to upgrade. Here is a good article on upgrading your unit (http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/index.php?topic=14957.0). If you have a t5700, just be aware that the unit will not accept a RAM module larger than 512mb, so don't try to use a larger module.

Here is the official HP support page for the t5700 (http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=379363&prodTypeId=12454&prodSeriesId=339208&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=1058). It includes drivers for some touchscreens (such as the ELO and 3M drivers) as well as a full XPe SP2 OS in case you need to upgrade or reflash the unit for some reason. Here is the User Manual for the t5000 series thin clients. (http://bizsupport.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c00572312/c00572312.pdf)

I should give a special thanks to CQC user lesbib. He already has the IV running on the t57xx and has given a lot of good information about how to accomplish this. So while I may be the one writing this "How To" up, a lot of the actual information came directly from lesbib.

sic0048

10-08-2008, 05:25 AM

Installing a clean XPe image
This step may not be required depending on your device. But if you are unsure how the device has been used in the past, or if you know the image has been modified from its original form, you will want to install a new XPe image to have a clean slate to start with. For example, the units purchased during the group buy were originally used by USAirways and had a custom image that included some proprietary software. Therefore it required a new XPe image to clean everything up and make sure we had all the XPe parts that we needed.

To start, download the XPe image from the HP website (http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=379363&prodTypeId=12454&prodSeriesId=339208&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=1058). Scroll down the page until you find the "Operating System - Enhancements and QFEs" section and click on the download button. (For a t5720 device use this XPe image (http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=12454&prodSeriesId=1809592&swItem=vc-65161-1&prodNameId=1809593&swEnvOID=1058&swLang=13&taskId=135&mode=4&idx=0) - the t5700 version does not work on the t 5720). You want to download this to a computer other than the thin client. We will create a bootable USB drive to actually install the OS on the thin client. Once the file is downloaded, install the program on your computer and run it. It will give you the option of creating a ISO file, a bootable USB drive, or unpacking the contents in the directory of your choice. I couldn't find my USB drive anywhere, so I ended up burning a CD and using my USB CD/DVD drive. After creating a CD or USB drive, here are the steps you need to take:
Connect the USB device to the thin client
Restart the thin client and enter the Setup menu by pressing F10 when directed
Choose "Advance BIOS Features" from the menu
Make sure the First Boot Device is set to [USB]
Exit and save (Press ESC and then F10 - per the directions on the screen)
Allow the thin client to continue to boot normally
When asked if you want to restore the OS image and over write the flash memory, select "Y" and confirm
Allow the thin client to load the new image - this takes some time to complete
After the image is finished loading, reboot the thin client and allow it to complete the restore process. This takes approximately 5-10 minutes and your screen will likely be a black screen for the first couple of minutes. The thin client is really working, so make sure you leave it alone. Eventually it will reboot and enter the normal XP desktop.

Reflashing the OS to XPe SP2 is a super easy task. Other than creating the boot device (Cd or USB drive) the process is pretty much automatic.

The Enhanced Write Filter Manager
Before we start trying to modify the OS to allow the IV to be loaded on to the flash drive, we need to understand a little about how the flash drive works. Under normal conditions, there is an "Enhanced Write Filter Manager" (EWFM) that provides a secure environment for thin-client computing by protecting the thin client from undesired flash memory writes (the operating system and functional software components reside in flash memory). The write filter also extends the life of the thin client by preventing excessive flash write activity. It gives the appearance of read-write access to the flash by employing a cache to intercept all flash writes and returning success to the process that requested the I/O.

The intercepted flash writes that are stored in cache are available as long as the thin client remains active, but are lost when you reboot or shut down the unit. To preserve the results of writes to the registry, favorites, cookies, and so forth, you can transfer the contents of the cache to the flash on demand using the Altiris Deployment Solution software or manually using the EWFM.

For our purposes of adding the IV, we'll manually disable the EWFM, so that all future writes during the current boot session are written to the flash with no further caching until reboot. Just remember to re-enable the EWFM after you have made all of your permanent changes or simply reboot the unit before resuming normal activities.

To do this take these steps:
1. Log in as an administrator. Press the 'start' button, and press the "Log Off" button. When the "Log Off Windows" popup appears, hold the 'shift' key and select 'log off' and continue holding the shift button down. This will bring up the log in screen. Enter in User=Administrator & Pwd=Administrator and log back in. If you don't hold the shift button long enough, the thin client will log back into the User profile automatically.
2. Right click the EWFM icon in the system tray (it is the icon that looks like a lock and will probably been green and appear to be locked.
3. Select "Enable" to turn the manager on and prevent permanent writes to the flash memory. Select "Disable" to turn the filter off and allow permanent writes to the flash memory.
4. The thin client should ask to be rebooted. Go ahead and do this. When the system reboots, the lock in the system tray should be open and red in color if the EWFM is disabled.

You can also permanently write to the flash memory by using some simply command lines. This can be useful if you forget to turn off the EWFM and start making some changes. You can "commit" these changed to permanent memory without having to reboot and start over. To do this:
1. Make any changes that you want to save/commit to permanent memory
2. Open the Command Line Prompt (Start > Run > Open > and type in "CMD" in the open field and click "OK")
3. Type ewfmgr c: -commit
4. Other commands include "-disable" which turn off the EWFM filter and "-enable" which turns on the EWFM filter and "-all" which shows the current status of the memory volumes.

Adding Files to the XPe OS
We need to add a couple of files from the regular XP OS to the XPe OS that is installed on the thin client. The IV installer requires these files and they are normally not installed with XPe. The files are attrib.exe, xcopy.exe & dbghelp.dll. They are located in the Windows/System32 folder of a regular XP installation and need to be saved in the same folder on the thin client. Again, make sure you have disabled the EWFM before trying to save these files.

Turning off the HP Sygate Security Agent Firewall
By default, there is a firewall that starts up to "protect" your thin client. However, it seems to prevent communication between the CQC Client and CQC server. So we need to disable the software before trying to install CQC. Log in as Administrator
Right click the Sygate icon in the system tray (it looks like two arrows - one pointing up and one pointing down).
Select "Options"
Under the General tab, uncheck the "Automatically load HP Sygate Security Agent service at startup
Right click the Sygate icon again
Choose "Disable Sygate Security Agent"
Right click the Sygate icon again
Choose "Exit Sygate Agent" and acknowledge.

Optionally, you can remove the Sygate program and even install the Windows Firewall if you feel the need to run a firewall in your situation. Directions on doing this can be found below or in this HP support document (http://bizsupport.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c00572312/c00572312.pdf).

Installing CQC
Now that the EWFM and the Sygate Security program have been disabled, we are ready to install CQC. I ended up moving the installation folder directly to the thin client and installing from there. I did this just to make sure there is enough room to do this. I had no trouble using this method. But you could install from a USB drive, network location, etc. Whatever method you are comfortable with should work fine.

NOTE - on CQC versions 2.4.32 and above, you must first modify the CQC Setup.cmd file. To do this, copy all the installation folder to the thin client. Then right click on the CQCSetUp file and choose "Edit." This will bring up the file code instead of running the program. About 1/2 way through the file, there are several lines that end with "> Null" (no quotes in the actual file). You need to delete the "> Null" portion of the line so that it ends with "/Y" Once you erase those, save the file and then run the file by double clicking on it.

I got a couple of "missing files" notices immeditately after invoking the installer, but the system continued on and I was able to finish the installation without any problems. In my personal situation, I decided to install the IV, the admin interface, and the CQCServer. I had no problems installing or running any of these items. However, several people has experienced a situation where the installer simply quits before finishing (it simply ends without warning or any errors). If this happens to you, please download a new installation package from the CQC site and try again. Most people have gotten through the installation process on the second try if the first try failed. I cannot explain why some people have a problem and others don't. I'm not entirely convinced it is a problem with the thin clients. It could be a corrupt download (ie missing a few bits of information).

sic0048

10-11-2008, 08:22 AM

Success!
Here is a picture of a LCD display that is hooked up to my HP Thin Client t5700. It shows both the IV and AV up and running as well as the task manager on screen showing the current memory usage (208mb).

You can also see some of the system icons that are unique to the thin client. The EWFM is the green lock which tells us it is currently enabled to prevent writes directly to the flash drive and the Sygate software icon has the yellow warning flag to show us that it is currently disabled.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x46/sic0048/HPThinClientSmall.jpg

After rebooting and opening the IV interface and admin interface and opening a couple of IV screens that have an imbedded internet pages on them, browsing my CD repo, etc, my memory maxed out at 209 mb. So it seems that it will run everything on 256mb. I've checked the flash drive and it seems to only have about 226mb used (after I deleted the installation folder) and 286mb free. It has not been confirmed yet if you can load CQC on only 256mb flash, but there is plenty of room left over for touch screen drivers, etc when you use 512mb flash. In fact, adding more space than 512mb purely overkill for a dedicated CQC device.

If you have installed CQC using the "Stand Alone IV" version, you may need to add the "/Standalone" switch in the IV startup line (found by right clicking the IV icon and selecting "properties").

Autobooting into the Administrator User
This is an optional step, but one I would recommend. I believe the thin clients are set to automatically log into the "User" windows user. This user is not defined as an Admin user and therefore has limited function. I changed my thin client to automatically log into the "Administrator" windows login which has Admin rights and full function. To make this change permanent:
Disable the EWFM to make these changes permanent
Log into the Administrator log in
Open the control panel and click on Adminstrative Tools.
Open the Automatic Login program.
Change the automatic login user from "User" to "Administator" with the password "Administrator"
Reboot and enable on the EWFM to prevent unneccessary writes to the flash memory (or type ewfmgr c: -commit from the command prompt prior to rebooting if the EWFM was not disabled in the first step).

The thin client should boot into the Administrator user each time it is rebooted now.

Removing Unneccessary Programs from the Thin Client
Optionally, you can also remove some of the programs that are automatically installed on the HP thin client that will not effect the CQC installation. These progams are things like the ICA Citrix server, TeamNT, Microsoft Media Player (leave installed if you plan on using a media player driver on this machine), and the HP Spygate Security Agent (which we already disabled).

HP has several removal programs that allow you to remove these programs easily and completely and without otherwise effecting the XPe image. So go to the HP web site (http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=379363&prodTypeId=12454&prodSeriesId=339208&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=1058) and browse the available programs. You are looking for those programs that have "Remove XXXX" in their name. There is also a multiple program removal tool (http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=12454&prodSeriesId=339208&swItem=PSG_I22296-106766&prodNameId=379363&swEnvOID=1058&swLang=13&taskId=135&mode=4&idx=3) that allows you to remove most of the unneeded programs in one shot. You need to download the removal tool to another computer (not the thin client) and create a USB device, just like we did when we reflashed the main XPe image. Here are the directions:

1. Browse the HP Site (http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=379363&prodTypeId=12454&prodSeriesId=339208&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=1058) and find the removal program you want to use, or use the multiple program removal tool (http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=12454&prodSeriesId=339208&swItem=PSG_I22296-106766&prodNameId=379363&swEnvOID=1058&swLang=13&taskId=135&mode=4&idx=3)
2. Put the removal programs on a USB drive.
3. Make sure you are logged in as "Administrator" on the thin client and have the EWFM disabled (or plan on using the ewfmgr c: -commit command).
4. Plug the USB device into the thin client and run the removal program. This will extract the removal files onto the thin client
5. Go to the directory where you extracted the files to and run the .exe program listed. This will cause a bunch of windows to flash up.

Repeat steps 1-5 for as many of the removal programs as you would like to run

6. Reboot if the EWFM filter was disabled (or run "ewfmgr c: -commit" from the command prompt if it wasn't)
7. Delete the removal files that where extracted in step 4. The removal program does not remove these files automatically.
8. Enable the EWFM filter which should reboot the machine (or run "ewfmgr c: -commit" again from the command prompt if the EWFM filter is already on)

Removing these "extra" programs will help free up memory and resources. You can always reinstall a removed program if you need to by using the installation files found on the HP site instead of the removal files. So removing these files can always be easily reversed without having to reflash the entire XPe image. Therefore I would recommend that you remove as many of these files as you can to make the machine as lean as possible.

You can also add the Windows Firewall program by following these steps, but using the installation file found on the HP web site.

Summary
Installing CQC components on the HP t57** series is easy and provides a low power, small form, inexpensive device to run a CQC IV with. I would recommend looking at these units for your IV needs. Just don't expect it to provide the speed or processing power of a modern CPU chip. IE keep a realistic expectation of what these devices will accomplish. I also recommend reading the rest of this thread to see other user experiences to judge for yourself whether or not a thin client might be for you.

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Good luck.

anogee

10-14-2008, 10:27 AM

O.K. To install JUST the Interface Viewer and the Admin Interface, which options do you select? Say NO to everything except the IV and AI, or are other options required also, any of the servers?

beelzerob

10-14-2008, 10:35 AM

There's really not a NEED for the Admin interface, right? I mean, all of that configuring can be done from any other AI.

sic0048

10-14-2008, 11:09 AM

There's really not a NEED for the Admin interface, right? I mean, all of that configuring can be done from any other AI.

I guess I was thinking that in order to install drivers on the device, you would have to have the AI. But now that you asked that, I can see that my thinking is wrong. You need to install the CQCServer, but you could use another computer with an Admin Interface installed on it to actually install the drivers on the HP.

But I'll just tell people that I was trying to load up as many things as I though you might need on the HP to see if it could handle it. So adding the AI was simply part of my capacity test...... yeah, that's it.

Honestly I was trying to load up as much as I thought the HP could take and everything we might need. I think the only things I did NOT install were the XML gateway and the Web server. I cannot think of a reason to have either installed on anything but the main CQC server (but I've been known to be wrong before :-)).

Dean Roddey

10-14-2008, 11:11 AM

I would not recommend running drivers on any wireless tablet type device. What drivers would you want to load there?

sic0048

10-14-2008, 11:13 AM

O.K. To install JUST the Interface Viewer and the Admin Interface, which options do you select? Say NO to everything except the IV and AI, or are other options required also, any of the servers?

On the first selection screen, you select the fully customized installation. Then you can pick and choose the parts that you need. That being said, you really don't need the AI as stated above. You really only need the IV and the CQCServer (an option that pops up on it's own screen with some discription that basically says that it is required to install any drivers on the device). There will be other parts installed automatically, but that is all you need to choose.

Disclosure - this was written from memory at work. I will go back an verify these statements when I install CQC on my other HP.

beelzerob

10-14-2008, 12:03 PM

I would not recommend running drivers on any wireless tablet type device. What drivers would you want to load there?

Well, luckily this is neither wireless nor a tablet.... But the only driver I was wanting to run on it was the IV driver so I can control the IV based on events (at least, that's what I understand it does??).

The 1 serial port on my client will be taken up by the touchscreen inputs anyway. Kinda of an expensive and power hungry way to end up with a network serial connection for attaching to a device, I think.

anogee

10-14-2008, 12:11 PM

So, if I don't install drivers, I don't need the QCQServer? I can't think of any drivers that I would put on it. Is there any that come to mind? Maybe USB-UIRT.

CalypsoCowboy

10-14-2008, 12:14 PM

It if was behind a TV, the TV drivers would be nice, USBUIRT would be nice too.

Dean Roddey

10-14-2008, 12:23 PM

Oh, OK, I was probably confusing this one with something else. If it's not a tablet, then yeh, it makes more sense. And you might want to have a UIRT or the IV control drivers loaded. But if you don't need any drivers, then go with a standalone IV scenario for minimal memory consumption.

anogee

10-14-2008, 12:55 PM

It runs Windows XPe, which is actually much more steamlined than Windows XP Tablet edition. As far as I can tell, XP Tablet Edition, which runs on my Samsung Q1, has everything that XP Pro does, and then some. Windows XPe, on the other hand, is REALLY slimmed down with just the bare minimum.

sic0048

10-14-2008, 01:24 PM

So, if I don't install drivers, I don't need the QCQServer? I can't think of any drivers that I would put on it. Is there any that come to mind? Maybe USB-UIRT.

No. If you are not planning on installing CQC drivers, then I would simply install the "Stand Alone IV" option. This is the smallest and most efficient package. It allows you to use the IV just like normal, but nothing else. It is perfect for situations where you are driving a touchscreen for CQC use, etc.

It if was behind a TV, the TV drivers would be nice, USBUIRT would be nice too.

That is my thought as well. I definitely want to install the TV drivers. I already extend the serial connection over a cat5e wire from the wiring closet to the TV. So I'll just convert that over to a network connection and hook the TV serial connection directly to the thin client.

I've thought about the best way to run IR. You could use a USB-UIRT connected to each thin client or use a normal IR repeater system. The USB_UIRT runs about $50 each, but the IR repeater sensors usually cost more than that. So price wise, the USB_UIRT could actually be more economical. From a operational standpoint, it probably doesn't matter. The two options should work just about equal.

Actually, if you used the USB-UIRT way, you could program identical remotes in each room, and the commands would be tied to the room because you would have to create custom commands for each USB_UIRT driver. This means you could carry a remote from room to room and it would still work as expected. If you used the IR repeater system, the commands for each room would have to be unique (assuming a single zone repeater system).

BUT.... that is a little off topic ;-). But it is something that I have been mulling over myself.

IVB

10-14-2008, 09:19 PM

Are folks going to be using touchscreens with this? I just realized i'm going to have to install a touchscreen driver on this also in order to make it work.

Sendero

10-14-2008, 10:24 PM

Does remote desktop exist on this OS install? Or does everything have to be done locally?

potts.mike

10-14-2008, 10:31 PM

Remote desktop exists but you have to enable it for everyone the is not an Admin.

sic0048

10-15-2008, 04:27 AM

Are folks going to be using touchscreens with this? I just realized i'm going to have to install a touchscreen driver on this also in order to make it work.

That shouldn't be a problem. Just make sure you turn off the write filter before trying to install the driver to make sure it is permanently saved to the flash memory.

beelzerob

10-15-2008, 08:24 AM

IVB

10-15-2008, 09:17 AM

why don't you just put it on your SageTV or BTV server? Then there's zero incremental watts required.

beelzerob

10-15-2008, 09:29 AM

Well, those servers haven't materialized yet at this point. I'm not sure when they will either.

Right now we have Dish service and the handiness of it having 2 TV outputs and 2 remotes, which works well because my folks are staying with us so they can have their own remote and watch whatever they want whenever they want.

The OTA signals are still an iffy prospect, so even recording from there via the media server is questionable.

I like the IDEA of moving our dish receiver to the basement and recording to a media PC again, but that's talking another $200 outlay for the component video recorder, probably another $200 for an HD extender too (I've never been satisfied with the HD rendering from my media PC, even though it has more than enough horsepower).

So right now, my high-powered media PC is just serving as the CQC master server, and the kitchen touchscreen plaything. At some point, if nothing else, it'd be nice to use the media PC as a DVD player....but then it won't be useful for the kitchen touchscreen server (unless I wanted to watch shows on the kitchen monitor...which I don't).

sic0048

10-15-2008, 10:22 AM

You know, I hadn't really noticed, but now I'm wondering...how well would one of these things work as the actual master server?? The load requirements aren't high. I mean no IV, no anything except what's required to be the master server for CQC. Are the processor and memory up to it?

If so, I could see getting another one...a 20watt master server would be an improvement over what I've got now.

I think as a straight CQC MS without anything else, it would probably be OK. I'm sure you would want to increase the RAM to at least 512, but the processor is 1ghz, and I know the MS can run on less.

That being said, you are really going to be limited in expandability. You would have to have drivers installed on other machines, or use a serial server (like a Digi Etherlite or Edgeport). The device does have room for 1 PCI card, but you would have to buy the optional extension kit. This would allow you to add a card - perhaps a sound card for multi-zone music, etc.

All in all I think you will find it pretty limiting, but it should work. Personally, I need to have a SageTV machine running most (if not all) the time to catch recordings, so it makes sense to combine those machines. But if someone only needed a CQC server running 24/7 then this might work.

As mentioned in the group buy thread, people have used these units for NAS and even a slim device (music server). So using it as a CQC server isn't really that crazy.

anogee

10-15-2008, 02:03 PM

Guys, you might want to keep your expectations down. I just launched Internet Explorer on mine and tried to run a simple video off CNN. It was very jerky and unwatchable. Not a lot of Horse Power in these. By the way, it does have Adobe Flash support built-in.

Also, remember, by default, they don't write to flash, so don't install or change anything without doing a "-commit" as spelled out on page 26 of the user's guide. If you don't commit, it will all be gone when its restarted.

Also, be careful with just disabling the "write filter." There is a note about not doing this if the flash disk is more than 80% full. the unit will become "unstable" whatever that means.

potts.mike

10-16-2008, 06:58 PM

Is there a way to run a command line at start up on these. I found instructions for XP but they don't apply to XPe. I want to have squeezeslave start on login.

anogee

10-16-2008, 07:30 PM

You can get to "Run" and a command line but you have to be logged in as a Administrator. You do that by logging out and holding down the shift key. The default login is Administrator for login and password. You can automatically start an application by creating a Windows shortcut, and placing in the Startup folder.

Rememeber these things are used people like those that work call centers and ticket counters, so they are pretty locked down unless your an administrator. As a User, you can't do much, unlike regular XP.

potts.mike

10-16-2008, 07:35 PM

Yeah, I just don't know how to get a command line into the startup folder. Is there a way to create a shortcut to a command line? Then I could just place this in the startup folder and would be all set.

anogee

10-16-2008, 08:28 PM

I didn't have luck creating a blank Windows shortcut, because it says that isn't supported, so instead, create a shortcut for an existing program, like IE, or copy an existing one, and then edit it to put in your command line. Fill out "Start In" and your command line in "Target", and your good to go.

beelzerob

10-17-2008, 05:06 AM

Guys, you might want to keep your expectations down. I just launched Internet Explorer on mine and tried to run a simple video off CNN.

So it handles IE pretty well though, huh? This seems almost like a waste of capability to ONLY run the IV on this thing, it'd almost be nice to be able to do a little web surfing if needed. Of course, there's the issue of not having a keyboard there, but still...

anogee

10-17-2008, 08:57 AM

You can get on-screen keyboards. I like this one because it has lots of keyboard to chose from:
http://www.comfort-software.com/on-screen-keyboard.html

As for running IE: Yes it works, with some limitations. In a pinch, its O.K. but I wouldn't dump your PC or Mac just yet. Pages load fairly slow, and videos generally are jumpy. To my eyes fonts are really clear, so maybe some of the nice IE features are missing. The good part, a virus isn't going to hurt this thing, because when you reboot it, its back to the way you left it.

Other than IV I could see it running a slide show on the monitor, or it could place Internet radio with Media Player. Web browsing, maybe "light" web browsing. It would be a great PC to give to your 9 year-old.

Sendero

10-17-2008, 07:34 PM

Anyone figure out how to get the weather.com animated shockwave working with one of these? I'm wondering if the security is just locked down too much or if there is something else going on. Suggestions?

anogee

10-17-2008, 08:41 PM

Did you install the Shockwave plugin on IE? Mine works fine. Not a speed demon, but it works. (Don't forget to do a -commit after loading it)

potts.mike

10-20-2008, 11:03 PM

Is any one else using these to pipe audio into a receiver? I have squeezeslave setup and it seems to be working okay but there is a hum during any silence or quite parts of the music. I am just wondering if it is the unit or if it is my setup.
-Mike

sic0048

10-21-2008, 05:49 AM

Well I finally had time to really play around with this last night. I've created some new IVs with a 1024x768 resolution. The thin client supports this resolution and it fits my widescreen TV just fine without any zooming or other changes neeed.

I loaded up the IV Driver on the thin client and changed my remote IR receiver commands so that now you can drive the IV via the remote. I know this isn't anything new, but it was the first time I had done this. It took a little bit to get the focus working the way I wanted it to, but everything works fine now.

I've completed my DVD Repo and DVD detail screens. The HP is a little slow loading the DVD repo. I am not using any of the special effects, but it still takes a couple seconds for the cover art to appear. It isn't a big deal IMHO as the background appears immediately and having the DVD covers appear a couple seconds later actually makes it appear like I am using a special effect. The delay is not long enough to be annoying.

kayemsi

10-21-2008, 08:23 PM

Will the thin client drive a 1280x1024 touchscreen? I just picked up an ELO ET1715L (17") touchscreen off ebay and it will run 1024x768, but the recommended resolution is 1280x1024.

I just got my thin client today, but don't have a dedicated USB thumb drive to flash the OS yet. Or a free moniter to check it out, while I wait for the ELO to arrive.

I would like to install Pentair's ScreenLogic pool control software on this as well as the CQC IV. Hopefully it will all fit. Now to figure out how to switch between the 2 apps seamlessly with the touch screen.

beelzerob

10-22-2008, 02:30 AM

dang...didn't even think about max supported resolution. I've got a 17"er too.

Then again, if 1024X768 doesn't look like butt, maybe I'll just use that for the sake of simplicity, since the other 2 touchscreens are 15.

anogee

10-22-2008, 09:31 AM

1024 x 768 is the max. 800 x 600 is the min.

I bought two thin clients and they both said they were 256M/512M and they were, but one has 256M memory and 512M flash, and the other 512M and 256M flash. They both seem to run about the same.

beelzerob

10-22-2008, 09:44 AM

well crap, that'll learn me. I hope 1024X768 looks good on it. (of course, I'm just assuming the max res on my elo is more than 1024X768, but that seems a reasonable expectation)

sic0048

10-22-2008, 11:48 AM

Actually on my thin client, the max resolution is higher than 1024x768. It's something like 1600x1200, but that is going off memory. 1024x768 was the first resolution that I tried and it worked. I also didn't want the text to be too small on the screen and I liked how 1024x768 appeared on the screen. So I've just stuck with it.

George M

10-22-2008, 12:55 PM

Autobooting into the Administrator User
This is an optional step, but one I would recommend. I believe the thin clients are set to automatically log into the "User" windows user. This user is not defined as an Admin user and therefore has limited function. I changed my thin client to automatically log into the "Administrator" windows login which has Admin rights and full function. To make this change permanent:
[ Log into the Administrator log it
Open the control panel and click on Adminstrative Tools.
Open the Automatic Login program.
Change the automatic login user from "User" to "Administator" with the password "Administrator"

The thin client should boot into the Administrator user each time it is rebooted now.

Is this working for anyone. I set this up to log on to Administrator and even checked the registry to verify the settings. All were correct, however it still boots up as "User default.

GeorgeM

beelzerob

10-22-2008, 01:22 PM

Ooo, excellent. Thanks for the relief, Brian.

Now that I don't have to troubleshoot my touchscreen anymore (it'll be replaced), I guess I can take a break from troubleshooting my Datanab (it won't talk to me) and play with my thin client, as I'm SURE it must be broken somehow too....

anogee

10-22-2008, 02:21 PM

Is this working for anyone. I set this up to log on to Administrator and even checked the registry to verify the settings. All were correct, however it still boots up as "User default.

GeorgeM

It works, but you do have to commit it to the flash drive before you reboot.

In a command prompt type: ewfmgr c: -commit

My mistake on the resolution. They go up to 1600 x 1200

anogee

10-22-2008, 04:09 PM

You can safely remove extra applications from your thin client like Citrix, TeemNT, and the HP Sygate Security Agent. Here is how.

1) Go to the HP web page here:
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=379363&prodTypeId=12454&prodSeriesId=339208&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=1058

2) Download the remover programs to a USB Flash drive. They have names like: Altiris XPe Add-on (Remove TeemNT)

3) Login your thin client as an Administrator. (Administrator/Administrator)

4) Plug the USB drive into the thin client. Run the file you downloaded on the USB Drive and install the remove program on the thin client. I used the default directory.

5) Go to the directory you just loaded the software in an find the RIP directory. Inside there, execute the .exe program you find. You'll see a bunch of windows flash up.

6) Do Start, Run, type cmd, and get a command prompt. Type: ewfmgr c: -commit

7) Then restart your thin client. You can now delete the files you installed to delete the application. They don't automatically delete. Don't forget one more "ewfmgr c: -commit" to save that.

You can perform steps 1 - 5 as many times as needed for multiple removes before doing steps 6 and 7.

George M

10-22-2008, 04:11 PM

Thanks

That works.

George M

kblagron

10-22-2008, 05:48 PM

Has anyone had any success using the USB option with the Win XPe image? The bios is setup as a USB boot, but the thumb drive just appears to access the disk continoulsy and never get past the splash screen. Have waited over 10 mins and it never moves on.

Blake

kblagron

10-22-2008, 06:46 PM

I used a different thumb drive and it worked fine. Documentation mentions issues with some of the thumb drives. This was a relatively new one, so you may want to consider an older one.

kayemsi

10-22-2008, 07:54 PM

I used a different thumb drive and it worked fine. Documentation mentions issues with some of the thumb drives. This was a relatively new one, so you may want to consider an older one.

Since I will be looking for a new USB drive for this purpose, do you mind telling so info on the one that worked and the one that didn't (so I can avoid that one)

kblagron

10-23-2008, 05:36 AM

The one that worked was a PNY Attache 1G stick.

The one that did not work is unmarked - I got it as a gift for presenting a paper at a conference, so I am not sure what it is. It works fine in my computer but would never get past the splash screen.

kblagron

10-23-2008, 06:55 PM

Okay Here are the results from my install of a CQC Standalone IV viewer on the HP T5700 with 2.4.0:

1. I had USB issues initially (as documented above), but it was resolved with a different USB drive
2. Initially I had an error on the Enhanced Write Filter icon tray saying "error getting ewf status". After reading fixes on the hp website, I decided to reload the XPe image, and it fixed it.
3. Removed the Citrix, TeemNT, and the HP Sygate Security Agent apps, and added the Windows Firewall utility from the HP support page.
4. Added drivers for the Lilliput 8" touchscreen (touchkit drivers) and that works great.
5. Added drivers for shockwave since the weather radar wasn't working. That did not fix the problem with the weather radar - When I added the driver for the flash player, it did. I had read earlier in this post that it was shockwave, but thinking it is flash instead.
6. Installed the Standalone IV viewer. I got several "errors" from the startup batch file prior to it going to the executable (I am thinking it was the xcopy commands that are in there) , but it finally installed.
6. I get an error message when I run the IV - "The CIDLib configuration server could not be contacted". If I hit okay, the IV comes up fine. Not sure why I would get this error.

Any thoughts on what the CIDLib error messages are. Outside of that, it seems to work fine.

potts.mike

10-23-2008, 07:41 PM

I had the same errors upon install but everything seemed okay. I tried to use a volume slider and there was an error about it not being available.

Dean Roddey

10-23-2008, 10:35 PM

Did you install the IV in standalone mode? If not, remove it and install it that way. You can't install standalone over a non-standalone so be sure to remove it first.

kblagron

10-24-2008, 03:54 AM

I did install it in standalone mode, but I forgot to use the /Standalone switch in the Interface viewer startup script. Once I did that, the error message went away, so all is well!

beelzerob

10-24-2008, 05:21 AM

Is that in the directions/tutorial on installing the IV to these things? It'd be very good if all the important info is consolidated in the first posts, and not scattered throughout the thread. Well....very good for ME anyway.

sic0048

10-24-2008, 05:28 AM

I can certainly add that to the first post or two. Honestly I've never used a stand alone viewer and didn't realize the use of the /Standalone switch was required.

I will certainly continue updating the first couple of posts to include information that is uncovered during this discussion. I fall into the same category as beelzerob and need to have everything spelled out as simply as possible, so I always try to incorporate that in my "How To" threads that I have done. There certainly are some threads on here that are way to confusing to follow because the original poster never updated the original directions. I've vowed not to do that with my threads. :-)

auphan2

10-24-2008, 03:49 PM

"I got a couple of "missing files" notices immeditately after invoking the installer, but the system continued on and I was able to finish the installation without any problems. In my personal situation, I decided to install the IV, the admin interface, and the IV controller. I had no problems installing or running any of these items."

Is anyone else having a problem getting past this step? I have everything else working but I cant get the installer to run.

sic0048

10-24-2008, 04:17 PM

Can you give any more specific information? Where is the installation failing, what do the screens look like, any specific errors, etc.?

auphan2

10-24-2008, 04:30 PM

Can you give any more specific information? Where is the installation failing, what do the screens look like, any specific errors, etc.?

As soon as I click the CQCSetup.Cmd, the window opens and says

"The system cannot find the file specified" about 5 times and then says "invoking installer" . The window immediately closes and nothing else happens.

sic0048

10-24-2008, 05:21 PM

You did replace the two "missing" files? And you did this with the EWF disabled? Are you also logged in as Administrator?

auphan2

10-24-2008, 05:25 PM

You did replace the two "missing" files? And you did this with the EWF disabled? Are you also logged in as Administrator?

Yes to all of the above. I reflashed the OS, added the 2 files, disabled the EWF, and changed the login to Administrator. I also removed the Citrix, TeemNT, and HP Sygate Security Agent apps, and installed elo touchscreen drivers.

For whatever reason I just cant get the installer to work. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.

auphan2

10-24-2008, 07:03 PM

I am still not sure what was causing the problem but now I have the IV up and running. I downloaded the 2.4.15 beta again and this time the installer started right up.

Thanks for trying to help.

sic0048

10-24-2008, 07:26 PM

Good to hear you got it working. Several betas ago, I had a similar situation where my download was corrupt and caused installation errors. Dean suggested downloading the installer again and that seemed to fix the problem. So this isn't unheard of. At least it wasn't the thin client at fault.

IVB

10-24-2008, 10:58 PM

You are a very sexy man, and your prowess in locating great deals and creating clear directions impresses all.

(got mine working, bada bing! First attempt to install CQC failed, so I tried again and it worked fine).

sic0048

10-25-2008, 04:58 AM

I'll add a note to the instructions to attempt the install again should it fail the first time. Perhaps there is something going on with the transfers over USB or something. But we know it does work, but it may take more than 1 attempt.

sic0048

10-25-2008, 05:09 AM

Just another note. If you plan on using this as a CQC only device, you probably want to make sure that the screen saver is turned off and the power management settings are set to never turn the device off. Both these settings can be found in the "Appearance and Theme" area of the Control Panel.

I had turned off the screen saver, but still found that I would find a black screen after awhile and found that my power management setting was set to power down after 15 minutes. I've changed that to Never and will report back if that fixed the problem.

IVB

10-25-2008, 02:57 PM

sic0048

10-25-2008, 06:18 PM

I'm having issues maintaining a connection to CQC. I installed the CQCServer, AI, & IV on mine, but after a while it'll either report "cannot load overlay <x> into <y>", or "cannot load your default template. A reboot doesn't have any effect.

Any ideas? I haven't yet tried standalone mode, mainly b/c I really want to use the CQCServer as I can then auto-load the CCTV on doorbell ring.

Are you running the same CQC version on the thin client and the master server? If you simply installed the lastest version of CQC on the thin client, but didn't update the MS, perhaps that is causing a problem.

IVB

10-25-2008, 08:15 PM

same version.

kayemsi

10-25-2008, 10:07 PM

5. Added drivers for shockwave since the weather radar wasn't working. That did not fix the problem with the weather radar - When I added the driver for the flash player, it did. I had read earlier in this post that it was shockwave, but thinking it is flash instead.

Which driver for the flash player did you add? Elsewhere I saw it mentioned that flash support was included, but it does not appear to be installed on mine. I did not see an add-on for flash on the HP support site. Did you just get one from Adobe, and if so was there a particular version and how did you install it?

My thin client appears to have 512 flash memory and 256 RAM instead of the other way around. I may have to get more RAM memory as Task Manager shows 192MB used with just the IV and task manager running. I was hoping to be able to install the Pentair ScreenLogic interface on this client and use the app control server to start it from the IV. But 256 RAM would not be enough for both. I also installed CQC server so I could use the IV event server.

robolo

10-25-2008, 10:30 PM

Success after spending the last couple of days working on it. I had a terrible time initially trying to get my USB thumbdrive to either 1) accept the HP XPe image and 2) get the t5700 to accept the new XPe image. I had picked up a cheapie 4GB USB flash drive from Fry's on special for $9 made by EMPREX that would not flash the t5700 no matter what I tried. I finally went back and got a little more expensive SanDisk 4GB flash drive which did work.

I would say the responsiveness of my ELO touchscreen is actually a little slower than the Wyse thin client it replaced. But a major improvement is that I do not have a RDP session anymore which the Wyse required and I can have a slideshow screen saver now. HUGE WAF!

Robert

bph

10-26-2008, 03:40 AM

So I guess I'm the wet blanket.

Easily reflashed the image and installed CQC. But I had planned to drive the Lilliput monitor with this, and apparently is just can't do 800x480, and the driver won't take custom resolutions (it's greyed out in Powerstrip). Suggestions from the web show now help.

The Lilliput touch drivers are supplied as a component package I'm supposed to load into the component designer to build into the XPe image. Yck. I'll try the regular XP drivers if I can get the resolution fixed.

I hate trying to same money by buying 5-year old gear and then running to this sort of nonsense. I swear the quality of drivers has gone from total-crap to nearly-total-crap in the last few years. Why in the world doesn't every video driver take whatever resolution you tell it too. Sheesh.

Has anyone got one of these to put out 800x480 or something similar (widescreen VGA).

IVB

10-26-2008, 09:00 AM

I'm having issues maintaining a connection to CQC. I installed the CQCServer, AI, & IV on mine, but after a while it'll either report "cannot load overlay <x> into <y>", or "cannot load your default template. A reboot doesn't have any effect.

Any ideas? I haven't yet tried standalone mode, mainly b/c I really want to use the CQCServer as I can then auto-load the CCTV on doorbell ring.

For historical purposes in case someone scans this later, my issue isn't the HP unit. as posted here, all my machines except for my laptop are showing this. (http://www.charmedquark.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?p=94431#post94431) I didn't notice until now as I rarely use anything other than the laptop or kitchen touchscreen for the interface viewer.

Dean Roddey

10-26-2008, 10:55 AM

Is there anything more showing up in the logs? Is it reporting an out of memory error or a network error or something?

Sendero

10-26-2008, 12:13 PM

Did you install the Shockwave plugin on IE? Mine works fine. Not a speed demon, but it works. (Don't forget to do a -commit after loading it)

Yup, plugin is loaded. I just see a black background and when I right click on it I get all the shockwave commands (as opposed to IE context menu), so shockwave is there but the image isn't.

Sendero

10-26-2008, 01:09 PM

Yup, plugin is loaded. I just see a black background and when I right click on it I get all the shockwave commands (as opposed to IE context menu), so shockwave is there but the image isn't.

Nevermind, I figured it out.

I went to the Adobe site and downloaded the flash player. After that it was all good.

kblagron

10-26-2008, 08:27 PM

I had planned to drive the Lilliput monitor with this, and apparently is just can't do 800x480, and the driver won't take custom resolutions (it's greyed out in Powerstrip). Suggestions from the web show now help.

The Lilliput touch drivers are supplied as a component package I'm supposed to load into the component designer to build into the XPe image. Yck. I'll try the regular XP drivers if I can get the resolution fixed.

I am also using a Lilliput and looked to use Powerstrip to get the native 800 x 480 as I am on another touchscreen, but I read on some forum that the ATI Rage XL did not support custom resolutions and Powerstrip couldn't be used. So for now, I am doing an 800 x600 and have the black bars above and below :-( I am using this in my office, so I can live with this. It mentioned in the hardware reference document that you could add a PCI expansion card - maybe you could put in a different video card. I didn't really look into this too much, but I did see that the T5700 could have one.

I downloaded the Lilliput XP touch drivers from the UK website, and the touchscreen works great.

robolo

10-26-2008, 11:04 PM

For those of us on the West Coast I ran into a problem with the HP XPe image and the current daylight savings time. In the XPe SP2 installed through HP website there is only a one option for this time zone which includes US and Mexico and is shown as Tijuana (GMT -8). Due to the change in start/stop of DST in the US but not Mexico we are right now in a situation where Mexico time is 1 hour behind the US along the same longitude (Tijuana and LA for example).

The solution is to apply a DST patch for XPe. I found one at the Wyse website here (http://www.wyse.com/supportdownload/9series/security/XPe_DST_All.exe). I downloaded to the HP t5700 and ran from there. You need to click the .reg file to add additional time zone to the date/time gui. After running the .reg file there are now separate time zone choices for (GMT -8 Tijuana, Baja), and (GMT -8 Pacific Time Zone (US and Canada)). After applying I issued the usual commit command (not sure if necessary) and all was fine.

Robert

sic0048

10-27-2008, 05:16 AM

I am also using a Lilliput and looked to use Powerstrip to get the native 800 x 480 as I am on another touchscreen, but I read on some forum that the ATI Rage XL did not support custom resolutions and Powerstrip couldn't be used. So for now, I am doing an 800 x600 and have the black bars above and below :-( I am using this in my office, so I can live with this. It mentioned in the hardware reference document that you could add a PCI expansion card - maybe you could put in a different video card. I didn't really look into this too much, but I did see that the T5700 could have one.

I downloaded the Lilliput XP touch drivers from the UK website, and the touchscreen works great.

I was thinking about this in the shower this morning and had come up with the same solution - buy the HP expansion kit and find a PCI graphics card that supports 800x480.

But from what I understand, finding low power devices that support the Lilliput resolution is very hard. This is a common problem with the CarPC people since many of those guys like to use the lilliput. Actually you might want to look at their forum and see what solutions they are using.

robolo

10-27-2008, 06:00 AM

I was thinking about this in the shower this morning and had come up with the same solution ...

Thats where I do all my thinking too

beelzerob

10-27-2008, 06:08 AM

Same general area for me, but different plumbing fixture.

kblagron

10-27-2008, 06:37 AM

You can get the expansion module shipped for $32 on ebay. I have an old PCI card in an old PC that works that I could swap out, and I already know that I can use powerstrip and get 800 x 480, but it is full height.

I could never figure out if a full height PCI card would work in this module. Does anyone know?

robolo

10-27-2008, 12:21 PM

Same general area for me, but different plumbing fixture. That one gave me a good chuckle

I could never figure out if a full height PCI card would work in this module. Does anyone know?

Yes with the expansion side panel it reportedly does accept full height PCI cards. For heat dissipation with the expansion panel the unit should be standing upright.

kayemsi

10-30-2008, 08:57 PM

My ELO ET1715 touchscreen came today and I tried to install the ELO USB touch screen drivers from the HP website for the thin client before I attached the moniter and commited. I attached the moniter with the supplied USB cable and rebooted. I do get a response when touching the screen, but it is definitely not calibrated as the cursor movement and touch location are very far apart and often moves in other directions. I went to the EloTouch/EloUSB folder under Program Files and tried to run the EloLib.exe that is supposedly for "Setup and uninstall component", but it says "One or more files required by Setup.exe are missing. Please run Setup.exe from your original disk". When I go to Control Panel and the Elo Touchscreen item and it says Drivers not loaded No Elo touchscreen interface drivers were loaded.Try installing the driver again. I have gone thru the install process twice with the same results.

Has anyone gotten an ELO to work with the thin client and could give any advice?

anogee

10-30-2008, 09:48 PM

Your doing a "ewfmgr c: -commit" after the install to write it to the flash, correct? If not, make sure you read page 26 and 27 of the Thin Client manual.

beelzerob

10-31-2008, 06:27 AM

The cursor movement you're describing is almost always what happens to me before I do the calibration. After the calibration it works fine. Granted, this wasn't on a thin client, so I don't know if that's a part of the problem.

kayemsi

10-31-2008, 06:28 AM

Yes i did a commit after each step. The install setup the elo folder in Program Files and an item in control panel and these are persistent after a reboot.

I tried with two different PCs to download new drivers from teh elotouch website, but there is something wrong with the site and get a download error.

Since this is a dual serial/USB moniter, I guess I could try the HP ELO serial driver and see if that works.

sic0048

10-31-2008, 06:42 AM

I would definitely try to download and install the driver directly from the ELO site. There is a good chance that the drivers on the HP site are out of date - espcially for the t5700 since that device is rather old.

That is the good thing about these devices and the XPe OS. We have the flexability to load pretty much anything that will fit on the devices memory.

sic0048

10-31-2008, 06:51 AM

Given my success with the t5700, I decided to purchase a few more units. I ended up purchasing some t5720 units off E-Bay and have now installed CQC on one as well.

The process was virtually identical, however it seemed to have the two missing XP files already installed on the thin client. I did over write the original files, but on my next t5720 (I got three) I'll try to install CQC without that step to see if it works.

The XPe version for the t5720 is clearly larger. It requires 512mb memory and 512mb flash space as minimum requirements, so it must have more of the XP OS on it than the t5700 version does. There is also an extremely new version (late 08 update), so HP is continuing to tweak the OS and add security fixes and other features. I also noticed that the CQC installer ran without any of the "missing files" errors that we get on the t5700 installation.

I was hoping that the t5720 would run a little faster than the t5700 does, but I didn't see a noticable difference. My t5720 has 1gb Flash and 1 gb memory, so the specs are quite a bit better than the t5700, but the OS also requires more of that capacity. It still takes a couple of seconds for my DVD covers to appear after loading the DVD repo template. I'll do a side be side comparison of the two to see if there is a time difference between the two, but I don't expect it to be that big of a difference. I just need to create a test button that will load the template in each IV. I'll try to test this over the weekend at some point.

But I just wanted to let everyone know that the technique is the same for the t5720 devices.

auphan2

10-31-2008, 06:53 AM

My ELO ET1715 touchscreen came today and I tried to install the ELO USB touch screen drivers from the HP website for the thin client before I attached the moniter and commited.

Has anyone gotten an ELO to work with the thin client and could give any advice?

Do you have the install cd that comes with the ELO? I copied the cd to a thumb drive and loaded this onto the thin client. After install is complete you will have access to calibration and other options for the ELO. I have been using this config for about a week without any issues.

kayemsi

10-31-2008, 08:12 AM

Do you have the install cd that comes with the ELO? I copied the cd to a thumb drive and loaded this onto the thin client. After install is complete you will have access to calibration and other options for the ELO. I have been using this config for about a week without any issues.

This was an Ebay auction win. It was used and came with power, vga and usb cables, no instructions or CDs.

Th ET1715 is discontinued and I haven't had much luck getting anything specifically for this model (manuals, drivers, etc) from the Elo website. As I said, I tried to download current ELO touchscreen drivers, but the website asked to accept the license aggreement which I do then it takes me to a page where I have to click the line at the top of the IE page to download, then gives download error message that says I have to accept the license (which I did) and only gives a link that goes back to the original download page.

How big are the files you put on the thumb drive to install? Is it something you could zip up and post?

robolo

10-31-2008, 08:47 AM

IVB

10-31-2008, 09:37 AM

same here, although i don't technically have an ELO but a generic thingey. I also had the oppostive-moving thing, but once I used the ELO calibration, it was fine.

kayemsi

10-31-2008, 10:27 AM

I uninstalled the USB drivers removed USB cable, then installed the serial driver and cable. I still get the message that one or more files are missing when I go to Program files/Elo touchsystems/elosetup.exe. Also with the serial, I get no response at all to touching the screen. I noticed the control panel elo thing now will open and has an align button, but since I get no response to touch, I guess it does me no good.

beelzerob

10-31-2008, 10:29 AM

Have you confirmed the touchscreen works fine with a normal PC? So that we can narrow down the issues to just the thin client...

kayemsi

10-31-2008, 10:59 AM

It is extremely frustrating. Since I had gotten the elo control panel (from the serial install) to open, I reinstalled the USB driver (leaving the serial stuff alone) rebooted, then with the usb cable installed the I got the uncalibrated touch response from before. I tried to open the elo control panel item and got the same thing I go the first time thru, the message that no ELo touchscreen intrefaces were detected.

The only ELO drivers I have access to are from the HP site for the thin client (dated 2004). I could hook it up to my master server, but without winXP drivers I won't get far.

anogee

10-31-2008, 12:34 PM

Did you try downloading drivers from here:
http://www.elotouch.com/Support/Downloads/dnld.asp

Seems to work for me.

kayemsi

10-31-2008, 03:48 PM

I finally got a WinXpe version downloaded for anogee's link. I put it on another PC and opend the zip. The doc file inside says it assumes the user has the WinXPe development environment to build for deploymment to an XPe device. Surely one doesn't have to go thru all that to get the elo touch screen to work correctly on an Xpe device.

IVB

10-31-2008, 03:54 PM

no, i just turned off that write manager, then installed the HP XPe image, then the ELO drivers, and i was good to go. I used the monitor that i just posted screenshots of in my "Progress" thread.

kayemsi

10-31-2008, 05:06 PM

As Beelzerob suggested, I downloaded and installed the elo regular WinXp drivers on my MS and connected the touchsscreen. It calibrated well using the control panel tool and works well.

Can I use the regular WinXp drivers on the thin client instead of the WinXPe specific ones that I have had zero luck with?

auphan2

10-31-2008, 05:42 PM

kayemsi

10-31-2008, 07:29 PM

I installed the regular WinXP drivers and had to copy several hid*.sys and hid*.dll files from my master server when it asked for them from the WinXP Pro CD. I was able to calibrate it and all seems good.

Thanks for all the helpful suggestions.

bph

10-31-2008, 08:10 PM

I downloaded the Lilliput XP touch drivers from the UK website, and the touchscreen works great.
Would you happen to have the link?

Now that Halloween has wrapped up, maybe I can crack the case and look at adding a PCI card.

kblagron

11-01-2008, 09:05 PM

The Lilliput Drivers are here, I selected the Windows XP Version -> http://www.lilliputuk.com//content/view/79/85

sic0048

11-02-2008, 05:12 AM

I reflashed another of my t5720 thin clients and installed CQC on it. As suspected, I did not have to add the two "missing" XP files before I installed CQC. I also got no "missing file" notices when installing CQC. This is because the XPe version on the t5720's is newer and larger and must have more of the total XP version.

I still haven't gotten a chance to do any real speed comparisons. Hopefully I can do that later today.

personalt

11-07-2008, 07:48 PM

That is exactly what happened to me.. After diddling around for 2 hours with the HP driver I went to ELO site and go the XP (NON EMBEDDED) driver. The embedded driver doesnt really have an installer that I could see.

Like Kayemsi I had to get some files from my system32 folder. I ended up just mapping a folder of my server and copying them there.

I installed the regular WinXP drivers and had to copy several hid*.sys and hid*.dll files from my master server when it asked for them from the WinXP Pro CD. I was able to calibrate it and all seems good.

Thanks for all the helpful suggestions.

personalt

11-10-2008, 05:08 AM

I start to run out of memory when browsing the web.

It appears the temporary internet files fill up maybe the ram disk or it just runs out of memory for applications.

I was trying to figure out, if I tried to uninstall additional programs would that help me any. I think not very much as most of the savings would come of the flash memory, but I guess I would save some as the removed applications wouldnt have to start up.

I am looking and trying to push this up to the 512MB at least in my living room where I might do some very light browsing but was wondering if others were running out of memory.

beelzerob

11-10-2008, 05:19 AM

It'd be pretty happy if light browsing could also happen on these, though that's above and beyond what I got mine for.

I'm wondering if there's a better/lighter browser our there. I'm assuming you were using IE? Maybe there's a light-light browser out there that wouldn't accrue so much garbage so quickly?

personalt

11-10-2008, 06:10 AM

What about redirecting these files? I think my memory is getting filled with files that on a regular pc would be written to disk.

I have a shared folder (on my master server) for each thin client. I think maybe the ram disk data could be redirected to that share. I think this would be okay since on a normal pc these files wouldnt be in memory, they would be written to disk.

jrlewis

11-10-2008, 06:37 AM

How much memory are you allocating to temporary internet files? You can move this down to 256mb without it affecting things. You can play with that value until you see a hit on performance. Just make sure you choose to check for newer versions of the page each time you visit it. I don't know that it would help your performance if you store the temp files on a remote drive. It might actually hurt it. You can give it a try though. The temporary internet folder is similar to your My Documents in that you can select it to be located wherever you want.

personalt

11-10-2008, 06:40 AM

The unit only has 256mb of ram so I am sure the number is way under 256mb. I think the ram drive they set up is maybe 20 megs or so..

I will try checking the the get new copy each time.. that makes sense.

sic0048

11-15-2008, 01:52 PM

Just an FYI - we were talking about the thin clients on the webex last night and a couple of the guys have the Brultech power monitor, so they checked the power draw of the t5700 thin clients. During the boot process, it seems to max out at approx 12 watts. During normal idle it was drawing about 9 watts. I'm sure when it is called on to work, the power draw would be between those two numbers. That is pretty good IMHO and certainly low enough to be left on 24/7 without breaking the bank.

sic0048

11-26-2008, 06:25 AM

I've started getting "Out of Memory" errors on my T5700 (with 256mb RAM). I usually get these while trying to browse my DVD collection, so that must be pushing the limited RAM past the breaking point. So I've ordered some 512mb RAM to put into my two t5700's. I'm sure this has been a problem all along, but we didn't put the units into service right away, and then we were not browsing the DVD collection that often. But now that my wife is back on her workout kick, she has been browsing the collection daily when she wants to watch a workout video. So it has become a problem that I have to fix.

I also recently installed Flash on the t5700, so perhaps that is also pushing the limits on the RAM. I believe I got the errors before installing flash, but I think it is occuring more frequently after installing flash.

I'll give an update here after getting the new RAM and installing it. Hopefully that will fix the errors and everything else will run fine.

IVB

11-26-2008, 07:53 AM

interesting, how big are those DVD covers?

I've been doing a bunch of CD surfing on mine, uses the same CAB, with no issues.

sic0048

11-26-2008, 08:12 AM

Good thought. I double checked my widget and it was set to use large images. I've unchecked that box, so we'll see if it improves things. I did go ahead and ordered more memory since it is only about $20 to do it.

EDIT - well now I don't get any pictures on the repo. So apparently my XML file doesn't have the thumnails in it. I'll have to look into this further I guess.

Edit2 - OK, when installing the driver, apparently I was one level too high. So I reinstalled it and now I do get thumb nails. But they are too small. So I went back to the large images. Perhaps things were getting resized weirdly since I had the wrong menu selected in the driver.

IVB - I have 2 rows of 4 movies on a 1024x768 screen. So each movie is about 200x300.

kayemsi

11-26-2008, 11:17 AM

I went ahead and upraded the memory to 512 and haven't gotten any more Out of Memory errors, but I haven't seen a noticable increase in speed either. The IV is still significantly lower than on my Nokia via RDP to the master server.

kblagron

12-10-2008, 11:42 AM

Quote:
I had planned to drive the Lilliput monitor with this, and apparently is just can't do 800x480, and the driver won't take custom resolutions (it's greyed out in Powerstrip). Suggestions from the web show now help.

The Lilliput touch drivers are supplied as a component package I'm supposed to load into the component designer to build into the XPe image. Yck. I'll try the regular XP drivers if I can get the resolution fixed.

I am also using a Lilliput and looked to use Powerstrip to get the native 800 x 480 as I am on another touchscreen, but I read on some forum that the ATI Rage XL did not support custom resolutions and Powerstrip couldn't be used. So for now, I am doing an 800 x600 and have the black bars above and below I am using this in my office, so I can live with this. It mentioned in the hardware reference document that you could add a PCI expansion card - maybe you could put in a different video card. I didn't really look into this too much, but I did see that the T5700 could have one.

Just as a followup, I was able to get the PCI expansion card installed with the ATI PCI card, although the PCI card was about a 1/4" too long, so I had to modify the cage (i.e. saw), but it didn't affect the outer case. Once I got the Powerstrip utility installed, it worked great on my Lilliput Touchscreen at 800 x 480.

sic0048

12-10-2008, 11:56 AM

I also increased the memory to 512, but honestly I haven't browsed the DVD repo enough to say if it made a difference. My gut feeling is that it did make a difference because I haven't gotten any more out of memory errors either, but like kblagron, I haven't noticed an increase in performace.

bph

12-10-2008, 12:23 PM

Just as a followup, I was able to get the PCI expansion card installed with the ATI PCI card, although the PCI card was about a 1/4" too long, so I had to modify the cage (i.e. saw), but it didn't affect the outer case. Once I got the Powerstrip utility installed, it worked great on my Lilliput Touchscreen at 800 x 480.

So where does one find the PCI expansion, and is it a reasonable cost?
(Once again, my save some money plan ends up costing as much as a UMPC in the first place.) Grrr.

sic0048

12-10-2008, 12:54 PM

You can generally find them on E-Bay for about $30. The PCI slot is already in the thin client, the expansion kit is simply a PCI slot riser and a bigger cover that allows a PCI card to be used.

kblagron

12-10-2008, 12:58 PM

I paid $32.50 including shipping from Canada

beelzerob

12-20-2008, 10:20 PM

Well, I decided to finally use one of these things. My goal was to make it a simple "pandora" appliance for when I'm downstairs and want some music. So I figured I'd reflash it, set pandora to the home page of IE and set IE to load on startup.

Reflash worked great, thanks for the writeup! However, I start IE and just loading Pandora, I get an illegal exception and IE closes. Is there something I need to update in windows?

sic0048

12-21-2008, 05:53 AM

Pandora is flash based. Have you downloaded the latest flash software and installed it on the unit? I'm not sure that flash is even installed by default.

beelzerob

12-21-2008, 01:55 PM

No, I hadn't installed anything since the OS reload. I'm surprised Pandora loaded as far as it did then. I'll load the latest flash on it.

beelzerob

12-21-2008, 03:01 PM

Installed Flash, it works now.

This pretty neat. I didn't know this thing had built-in speakers, so all I do is add power and network, and I have a portable pandora music station. Granted, you'd have to add mouse and monitor to change stations and all that. But for what I wanted, it's pretty cool!

kblagron

12-23-2008, 07:02 PM

Has anyone noticed that the fonts are sized differently on the T5700 than a regular PC? It seems that the T5700 wants to use more space for a specific font (Arial in my case) than what is alloted for it when it is designed on the editor on a regular WinXP setup. It requires me to spread the horizontal size of the text box to a larger size to keep it from wrapping.

Any thoughts on how to fix this?

personalt

12-23-2008, 07:33 PM

not sure if this is your issue but try this
control panel
display
settings
advanced

there is a 96dpi and 120 dpi setting there.

for a given resolution the 120 is big fonts.

doesnt matter what you pick but I would guess you want the desktop and the hp the same size so that you design the same way you display.

beelzerob

03-06-2009, 04:55 AM

sic0048

03-06-2009, 05:54 AM

Maybe this should go in another thread, as it's not really IV related....

Has anyone had any success getting the TTS driver to work on one of these thin clients? It seems like on some of my lower powered PC running IV's that the TTS gets really delayed. Plus, I have no idea if Windows embedded runs that (I'm guessing not).

I've actually been looking into this recently myself. The standard HP XPe image does not include TTS. But MS did release TTS to the XPe developers software in a Feature Pack. So if someone has access to the XPe developers software, I think we could take the existing image and modify it by adding TTS to it fairly easily.

Ron Haley

03-08-2009, 06:55 PM

Thanks to all the good pointers here I've managed to get my t5720 with the Elo 1545 working great. I'm having some problems installing java and am wondering if anyone has had any luck with it yet? I'm getting not enough disk errors during the install, and know I have more than 700mB available on C: and it's not locked.

lesbib

03-08-2009, 10:27 PM

Ron, the installer is most likely extracting to the temp folder which by default is set to the z: drive. You will need to change the folder to c: under system properties > advanced tab > environment variables.

Ron Haley

03-09-2009, 08:23 AM

Thanks - that did it!

George M

05-07-2009, 05:17 PM

I also have the t5200. I have CQC installed (v 2.4.26c) and previously have updated from earlier versions. As has been stated here, the install starts out with a message that a file is missing. This happens three times and then the install continues.

Now I am trying to install 2.4.42 and 2.4.43. Now I get this message:

Creating installer environment...
The system cannot find the file specified.
The system cannot find the file specified.
The system cannot find the file specified.
The system cannot find the file specified.
The system cannot find the file specified.
The system cannot find the file specified.
Invoking installer....
'CQCInst.Exe' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

and then the install ends. Has anyone here been able to update their thin clients to the newer betas, or do you receive the same errors?

potts.mike

05-07-2009, 05:40 PM

I got the same error but after a couple tries it installed anyways.

IVB

05-07-2009, 09:37 PM

i'm on .39 with one, but haven't gone past that. every time i contemplate upgrading, dean comes out with a newer drop. Maybe once 4 days goes by without one...

sic0048

05-08-2009, 04:01 AM

Mark Stega

05-08-2009, 06:46 AM

Try changing the first line of CQCSetup.cmd to "@Echo ON" and running the installation again.

I suspect you will find that the complaint is that it can't find XCOPY in the path; If that is the case you'll need to get a compatible version of XCOPY into the directory where the installer lives or into the system directory.

I ran into this issue on an XPe system which was missing both ATTRIB & XCOPY, copying both from an XP system was the solution in that case.

bjkiller

05-08-2009, 07:05 AM

George M

05-08-2009, 07:51 AM

Brian - Ya, I've downloaded the file 4 times now.

Mark - I copied xcopy.exe from an XP computer to this one. Changed the first line to @ECHO ON, ran it again with the same result. I put the xcopy.exe file in the Windows/system32 directory. I even tried to put it in the cqc install directory. The install creates the the directory InstEnv, but no files get copied to it. The data from the echo on, just mirrored what I posted earlier.

bjkiller - Yes, I run a server (not the master server) to operate my USB_UIRT

Mark Stega

05-08-2009, 07:59 AM

Mark - I copied xcopy.exe from an XP computer to this one. Changed the first line to @ECHO ON, ran it again with the same result. I put the xcopy.exe file in the Windows/system32 directory. I even tried to put it in the cqc install directory. The install creates the the directory InstEnv, but no files get copied to it. The data from the echo on, just mirrored what I posted earlier.

So what command immediately preceded the error message?

bjkiller

05-08-2009, 08:14 AM

bjkiller - Yes, I run a server (not the master server) to operate my USB_UIRT

There any problem to run the master server? it's looks like very good and cool, my current server FAN's makes so many noises! from point of hardware i have only one usb digi-board with 8 serial ports.

George M

05-08-2009, 12:36 PM

So what command immediately preceded the error message?
Mark - Is there a way to write the output to a file, or put a pause in the file so it will stop before it quits? I cannot get it to pause at just the right time to see what it says.

Mark Stega

05-08-2009, 02:18 PM

Mark - Is there a way to write the output to a file, or put a pause in the file so it will stop before it quits? I cannot get it to pause at just the right time to see what it says.You can either put ">xyz.txt" on the command line as you invoke the batch or pat a "pause" in as the last line of the batch file. The first outputs to a file, the second keeps the window from disappearing.

George M

05-09-2009, 05:26 AM

Well I really hosed my system now.

How is this for weird? Running the install command gives me the errors previously noted. BUT if I run the commands separately, exactly as written in the command file, they work!

So I do that and then the install (version 2..4.44) progresses all the way through and says it is complete. The service starts, but then I get a constant state of errors as the processes try to start:

CQCServer.Exe - Application Error
The application failed to initialize properly (0xC000012d). Click OK to terminate the application.

And then one for the CQCCfg.Exe and on and on until I stop the service. So I figure I will go back to 2.4.26c, which was the last one that was working. Go through the same install procedure, it completes with no errors. Try to bring up Admin Interface and is says can’t find CQCCfg Server. So I check the service and find it is not running. Try to start the service and I get the error:

Could not start the CQC Application Shell service on Local Computer.
Error 2: The system cannot find the file specified.

Man, seems like I'm in a vicious loop here. All I am installing is the Client and Server.

So I am going to try and delete anything that has to do with CQC on this machine and start from scratch again. Are the any registry entries or files other than in the CQC directory that I should get rid of?

By the way. I was stupid and did not save a copy of the working 2.4.26 directory. These things are so small on disk size that I didn't want to use too much disk space - and of course because I was supid.

George M

05-09-2009, 06:43 AM

Heres the text file from the 2.4.26 install that goes throught the entire install process and shows completed successfully, but then the service will not start.

Dean Roddey

05-09-2009, 09:13 AM

Failed to add app 'C:\CQC\Bin\CIDCfgSrv.exe' to the firewall exception list
There are no more endpoints available from the endpoint mapper

This doesn't look good. There's another one for CQCServer. This would mean that, if the firewall is actually enabled, that no one could get to either of those. If you go to the Firewall config, is it all full of bogus entries or something?

George M

05-09-2009, 10:08 AM

Well I do not have the Windows Firewall running on this thin client.

Here is an update. Instead of using the xcopy commands to get the necessary files in the InstEnv folder, I just used Windows Explorer. I think the xcopy was missing some files.
I then ran the CQCSetup.cmd and got the error about missing files (6 times), but since I had already copied the files it continued with the installation. This is version 2.4.26c which was the last working version I had on this machine. This time the install went well and completed and I was able to reload the USB-UIRT driver.

So I saved this configuration and then tried to update to 2.4.44 using the same technique. Again the installation went through and all the services started. However the USB-UIRT driver would not start. I get the error:

Facility: CIDLib Error #: 1980/830/127
Severity: API Failed Error Class: Unknown
Line: CIDLib_Module.cpp/2144

An error occurred while loading the module by name. Name=C:\CQC\CQCData\Client\Drivers\IRClient_2_4.DL L
The specified procedure could not be found.

The file mentioned is in the noted directory. Did anything change in the interim builds that would affect this?
Since for now all I am using this machine for us the USB-UIRT, what is the danger in having it running 2.4.26 while all the other machines are on later versions?

Dean Roddey

05-09-2009, 11:02 AM

That would tend to indicate you are using mixed versions. Did you update the master server first? You should stop CQC on all machines, update the master server, then upgrade clients. Otherwise, you are asking for problems. It looks like you didn't do that and the client tried to download a driver from the MS which is on a different version.

George M

05-10-2009, 06:44 AM

That was it. Forgot I had reverted the master to an earlier version to try and solve the problem.

This may be a windows question, but any idea why the xcopy and attrib commands can be done manually but not work through the install file?

Dean Roddey

05-10-2009, 09:46 AM

This may be a windows question, but any idea why the xcopy and attrib commands can be done manually but not work through the install file?

No idea really. They should be equivalent I would think.

NishanF

05-10-2009, 03:12 PM

I upgraded to the latest beta today and had the same issues as George with missing files.

To fix,

1. Copied "xcopy" into the install directoy.
2. Edited the setuo command file and removed the "> nul" from several lines.

That seemed to do the trick, and explains why it worked manually but not in the batch file (though I don't know why).

Nishan

Dean Roddey

05-10-2009, 04:26 PM

Is Nul an external command? I wouldn't think so.

Mark Stega

05-10-2009, 05:46 PM

Nul isn't an external but ">nul" requires some bits that the XPe boxes that we were installing on at CEDIA didn't have (and apparently the HP doesn't either). I forgot about that, but in addition to copying attrib and xcopy I had to modify the CQCInst command file to not have the echo to nul...

George M

05-11-2009, 06:22 AM

That may be it since when I did this manually I did not use the >nul switch.

bjkiller

06-01-2009, 11:18 PM

That may be it since when I did this manually I did not use the >nul switch.
i just removed > nul things... and installed main CQC Server on T5730 1GB flash and 1GB RAM!
it's comes Win Xp with SP2, upgrade from HP website make it's SP3.

it's slim!!! it's silent!!!! it's cool(like 30C) !!! i love it!!!

Server currently connected to DigiBoard(via USB) with 8 serials and couple of TCP/IP devices!

CQC before was run on IEI industrial box!! so noisy. also forgot to mention small board on serial cable it's VK011 thermometer.

the mix on the shelf it's becouse i not yet finished to connect everything...sorry... ;)

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/6291/img4284d.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3807/img4283n.jpg

sic0048

06-02-2009, 05:31 AM

beelzerob

06-02-2009, 06:03 AM

I think the t5700's that we got in the group buy are a little underpowered compared to the t5720's or t5730's.

Work a group buy for the 5730's, and I'll kill ya! (or thank you!)

bjkiller

06-04-2009, 08:04 AM

Cool! I'd love to hear an update in a week or two after everything is moved over to the new CQC server. I definitely think a t5720 or t5730 is capable of running as a server, but I believe you are the first to put it into a production environment.

I have my main touchscreen running on a t5720 with 1gb RAM and 1gb flash and there is no noticable lag in screens. This includes CD and movie repos as well as flash radar screens. I use to have the touchscreen connected directly to my CQC server (a P4 3.0 ghz machine at the time) and the screen changes seem to be just as quick now with the thin client as they did before on the full computer.

I think the t5700's that we got in the group buy are a little underpowered compared to the t5720's or t5730's.

yes, it's run OK, i monitor like 25 caddx sensors to power on/off lights, and generic code for Grand Concerto PADS, i think it's get a lot of triggers to resolve.
i still not have any GUI pads, becouse waiting native interface for Nokia N810.
i plan to buy one more to move squeezecenter and M-Audio 1010lt card to separate box, becouse i have all 6 inputs from GC connected to audio boards. squeeze center actually can play anytings...

i have 2 of T5700 one i use for Askozia (asterisk voip server) and 2nd for monowall firewall (i installed dual intel ethernet card) and pci raiser.
you can see one with asterisk on upper part of 1st photo.

T5730 generated a bit more heat from T5700.

beelzerob

06-05-2009, 03:42 PM

Well, I finally got around to installing the CQC IV and admin IF on the 5700.

1) The writeup for doing this was excellent. Thanks!
2) I also had the issue of some of the lines of text from screens I'd made wrapping around...so I had to resize it ever so smaller via the editor to make it fit. *shrug* Not a BIG deal.
3) I had to install flash to get my weather radar screen to work. It *does* work...but it's way slow. At full speed, it goes about as fast as it does when just loading on another PC (a frame every second or so). That's not a *big* deal...it still shows the bad stuff anyway, and that's what matters.
4) What do you guys use for remote setup and control of these thin clients? I usually use tightVNC, but wondered if there was something else to use? I see these have remote desktop connection, but that requires interaction on the thin-client side first, right?

Has anyone ever *tried* using a 5700 as a cqc main server? I'm just curious if it'd work. I know bjkiller has success with the 5730.

And TTS was mentioned before too....was a solution ever found for that for the 5700? Thanks for this thread, Brian!

beelzerob

06-07-2009, 04:59 PM

Well, I'm kinda losing my satisfaction with this thing. The weather radar is one of the main things we use, and besides being slow, I find it's not updating either. And if I just hit the button to reload the weather template, then the weather radar doesn't reload at all (it just stays black). I have to actually close the IV and reopen it to get it to load.

Hmmmm.....or rather, grrrrr. :-x

Could one of you with the ultra spiffy 5730's answer a couple questions:

1) Does your weather radar work? Is it the same one that I wrote the how-to for? (since there's many different weather radars out there, apparently).
2) Does windows TTS work on it (I know it has a different OS install)?

bjkiller

06-08-2009, 12:21 AM

sic0048

06-08-2009, 05:33 AM

I have both a t5700 and several t5720's. I have basically taken the t5700 out of service because it was so slow, but I'll try to set up a true a/b test with both units and see how much faster the t5720 loads up the flash weather maps.

I use the t5720 as the computer for our main touchscreen in the kitchen. So it gets the most use out of any of our IVs. It seems to load the weather map pretty fast - certainly not slow enough to be annoying.

Let me try to get something set up tonight to compare the two units side by side.

I'll check into the TTS as well, but I think the options are pretty limited. If it is just a file or two, then we could probably move it over like the xcopy and other files. I suspect it is much more complicated than that. Unless someone has the correct software to build up an XPe OS system we probably cannot do it ourselves.

beelzerob

06-08-2009, 07:21 AM

Well, my problem with the flash weather maps wasn't actually the load time...intially loading isn't that big of a deal. Even after it was loaded, it was still pretty slow (like 1 frame a second), but even THAT's not a deal breaker.

The problem I had with it is:
1) When I came back to it the next day, the time stamp on the frames was still from last night...so either it never updated again after that first load, or it just stopped at some point. This is different from my regular PC/touchscreen combo, where the weather map automatically updates every 5 or 10 minutes.
2) When I hit the Weather button to reload the template, the weather map doesn't reload. Now, I don't know if this is a CQC thing or a weather map thing...but hitting the Weather button on my regular PC will pretty much always work to reload the IV (and hence reload the weather map).

Those were my main issues.

Then the TTS thing, which hopefully a solution can be found to, but that's more of a "wanna" thing than a "haveta" thing.

Dean Roddey

06-08-2009, 08:31 AM

Some folks were reporting that IE7 would leak memory badly when used embedded and would eventually bring the system to a crawl when used with constantly updating images. Can you check the memory on that guy after it's been up all night running such an image? Is it growing badly?

beelzerob

06-08-2009, 09:26 AM

Ya, I can try that...I'll just leave the task manager up. There's not a lot of memory to use up on this thing.

However, I will also note that IE6 is what's installed, not IE7. I tried to install IE 7 and 8, but both errored about as not being a valid Win32 program.

sic0048

06-08-2009, 09:48 AM

If we can find someone with the Windows Embedded Studio Tools, it should be pretty easy to include Windows 8 instead of Windows 6. The problem is that HP just hasn't updated the OS since they have moved on to bigger and better thin client models.

sic0048

06-08-2009, 06:31 PM

Rob,

I couldn't easily get my older t5700 up and running because it has a much older version of CQC. However, I did do several timings of my flash radar screen on the new t5720.

All times are after pressing the button to load a radar screen. These screens are loaded from scratch and not preloaded but hidden.

It takes approx 1-2 seconds before the map background appears. The radar images slowly load during the next 12-15 seconds (perhaps 1 image every 2 seconds), and around 15-20 seconds from pressing the button initially, the full radar loop is loaded and playing continously. You will get 4-5 images per second once they are loaded and looping. Generally a full loop takes 3 seconds to loop and start again, and there are about 12-14 images per loop.

Hopefully that gives you an idea of the speed of the t5720s. I bought another t5720 and it should be here this week. If you would like to borrow it for a test ride, just drop me a PM.

beelzerob

06-08-2009, 06:40 PM

4 to 5 images a second...man, that's about 4 to 5 times faster than the 5700. Again, my main problem was just that the weather page stopped updating, and then wouldn't reload again without me forcing a reload from the IV menu. As near as you can tell, does your maps update on the 5720 without any intervention?

Is TTS a part of the OS image for the 5720's? If so, I sense some ebay searching going on...

sic0048

06-08-2009, 07:05 PM

I don't think that TTS is part of the t5720 XPe image. However, I did notice that HP released a new image just recently. So I guess I'll try to update one of the units to see if there is any major difference with the new image. Perhaps I'll do that on the new unit when I get it since I like to start with a fresh image anyway.

The other major advantage to the t5720 that really was apparent tonight is the fact that you can use a USB thumb drive with it. The t5700 doesn't seem to support thumb drives.

beelzerob

06-08-2009, 07:13 PM

The other major advantage to the t5720 that really was apparent tonight is the fact that you can use a USB thumb drive with it. The t5700 doesn't seem to support thumb drives.

:confused:

What do you define as a thumb drive? I had always thought they were those little USB flash drives, usually 128MB up to 2 GB (and more now a days). Those work fine with my 5700...that's how I installed CQC, as well as the OS reflash.

beelzerob

06-08-2009, 07:56 PM

I decided to test it out again, and at TIMES, the radar map seems to be moving pretty quick...as in it progresses through all the frames within 4 seconds. Not smooooth, but not as bad as it was. It ALSO (so far) seems to be auto updating to the current time. so I guess I'll let it run for a while and see how it does.

sic0048

06-09-2009, 05:01 AM

:confused:

What do you define as a thumb drive? I had always thought they were those little USB flash drives, usually 128MB up to 2 GB (and more now a days). Those work fine with my 5700...that's how I installed CQC, as well as the OS reflash.

Perhaps it was just the one I was trying to use then. I'll try another one to see if I have better results.

beelzerob

06-09-2009, 07:11 AM

Well, I left the radar up last night on it, and as of this morning, it is updating and is still moving faster than before...so maybe I had played with the 5700 and accidentally hosed something, and now it's all better. *shrug*

But as it stands now, I'd put it much closer to "acceptable" than it was last weekend.

Now if I can just make it beepable, I think I'll be set...